A Message From An Elder To The Youth!

[Bored]

i noticed the bibia cant stop talking durring kertan/programs man, the jatha always tells them to stop in a nice manner, but everyday its the same thing. they cant stop talking damit, dont they have lives outside of the gurudwara to talk , like seriously.

and when the jatha warns them, they laugh at it like it was a joke. :D

and no its not in just that one gurdwara its in like every single one

[S1ngh]

A bit off topic..

Its no hidden fact that some people comes to raenshabey or keertan programs to chat, discuss, hold meeting, discuss political things and they think that they are taking care of panth (all over world).. it's more likely a get together for them which happens once in a while.. BUT that happens to very rare disturbed ppl not to every common ppl who attend programs. I heard that many gurmukhs of our past used to be all silent (no talk with others) hours before and after the keertan programs.. If you are going to such programs, please do not talk/hang around with friends.. doesn't matter whether its male or female.. Choose other events for get together happiness not the place where keertan/samagam is happening..

Regarding the talk between male and female doesn't make any sense but we have to keep in mind that some ppl do anti-gurmat stuff in very rare circumstances.

Respect to our bejurgs no matter what type of -ve thinking they have about youth etc.. respecting elders is one of the foundation of sikhism.

[Guest s133k_s1kh]

Respect to our bejurgs no matter what type of -ve thinking they have about youth etc.. respecting elders is one of the foundation of sikhism.

You made me look up the dictionary for the word "bejurgs"

[Golee Maro]

Some of you guys need to open your eyes a bit, seriously.

Now, yes, there is an issue of people socialising at rehansbhais etc in the UK, dont doubt that for a fact. But theres two categories...

1. Theres people that go and matha tek, sit for 10 mins and come outside for the whole rehansbhai and talk, chat, laugh in the langar hall and just go for a doss.

2. There are those that go, sit down for MAJORITY of Rehansbhai and do go for a long break to have langar and catch up with friends.

I dont see a problem with number two. I am no way at the level where i can sit cross legged at a rehansbhai for 10 hours straight. Thats me personally and i think theres a lot who are the same. So you need a break.

Now, the issue of guys and girls mixing... heres two situations...

1. Guy and a girl text each other to go out of the Gurdwara around the corner to "meet up" and do some putthe kamm.

2. Guy and a girl sit in the view of sangat talking to each other.

I know people who "got off" with each other at a Gurdwara in London last year at a jatha rehansbhai. I saw them with my own eyes as i was leaving the Gurdwara.

Look at things realistically people and stop kidding yourselves.

YOU CANT STOP GUYS AND GIRLS EXPERIMENTING WITH EMOTIONS. YOU CAN, HOWEVER, MONITOR AND CONTROL IT.

Take an example of a guy and girl going out of Gurdwara to meet up. Why is that?? Because if they are seen inside Gurdwara talking to each other they will just be talked about and called "PO heads" and so forth. Ok, now you can say "dont bring that crap into the Gurdwaras full stop"... so ok, they meet up outside and do even worse stuff. if a guy and girl like each other, have honest intentions, then let them talk and get to know each other at a Gurdwara rather than have em meeting up outside and touching each other up and so forth. There are SOOO many Gursikhs finding it hard to get married due to issues like these. Its harder for GurSikhs to get wed compared to non-Gursikhs.

My point is teenagers are going to go through different emotions. Their body is developing and their hormones are everywhere. Its difficult for us who are past that age to control our minds, why do we expect so much from teens that they should "control their minds"? We should stop doing chugli, nindiya of people talking in Gurdwaras and socialising together so that they stay in sight of sangat and are in the Gurdwara where, hopefully, they will have more respect towards each other.

[Guest Hardeep_S_Khalsa]

We should listen to elder gursikhs because they have a gursikhi jeevan and hopefully by listening to them we will get somewhere.

When we go to rensbai's we should do ardas to guroo jee for them to bless us to sit throughout an rensbai and if we do it with a honest heart it will come true. After the rensbai we should then thank guru jee for his kirpa.

On a further note, we should eat and drink before a rensvbai because this will take our mind of our hunger and concentrate more on the keertan and simran. By going out and socialing with friends, you don't achieve anything. However by sitting down and jaaping naam your building your spirtuality and kamai, you should alway see the rensbai you going as you last ever one and think I am going to sit throughout it.

If you feel pain in your legs, then its acceptable to go to the back of the divan room and stand for a few minutes, atleast your still listening to keertan.

Remember listen to elder gursikhs, they have our best interest at heart and are their to help us on our path.

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa,VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh

[Bored]

Golee Maro....i think its better off those fools that cant control their hormones do this outside of the gurdwara, not inside cuz its not a singles meet place....but im not saying male female shudnt talk.

plus it isnt the gurdwaras fault they cant control their kaam! if they are true gursikhs they wudnt meet outside of the gurdwara too touch each other up.

think about it, were changing our gurdwaras in a bad way man.

[CaptainC]

Golee Maro....i think its better off those fools that cant control their hormones do this outside of the gurdwara, not inside cuz its not a singles meet place....but im not saying male female shudnt talk.

plus it isnt the gurdwaras fault they cant control their kaam! if they are true gursikhs they wudnt meet outside of the gurdwara too touch each other up.

think about it, were changing our gurdwaras in a bad way man.

golee maro is saying that its better to meet up inside where they do have some what controll over their actions as they are in the presence of sangat and Guru sahib....... where as outside god knows what they will do............ is it not better to jus stay inside ...........

i think that way the person will think twice and even try have some controll over their mind

[Bored]

Golee Maro....i think its better off those fools that cant control their hormones do this outside of the gurdwara, not inside cuz its not a singles meet place....but im not saying male female shudnt talk.

plus it isnt the gurdwaras fault they cant control their kaam! if they are true gursikhs they wudnt meet outside of the gurdwara too touch each other up.

think about it, were changing our gurdwaras in a bad way man.

golee maro is saying that its better to meet up inside where they do have some what controll over their actions as they are in the presence of sangat and Guru sahib....... where as outside god knows what they will do............ is it not better to jus stay inside ...........

i think that way the person will think twice and even try have some controll over their mind

iv'e seen teens in gurdwaras man....they still cant control themselfs.....flirting with one another is a piss-off.

its better they do this crap outside still, then bring it in the gurdwara.

[CaptainC]

hmmmm yes i understand where you are coming from......... its a shame they realy

[kaur_khalistani_lioness]

i haven't been to many rensabhai to tell u the truth, bt the stuff some of u guys are talkin about is new to me.

i see lot of us takin these amazing gatherings for granted. my views are more of what S1ngh and H khalsa said. it used to be easy to sit there and listen to kirtan without feelin much of the pain because of other people around me who were much younger thn me or oldr then me sittin around me ..giving me these positive encouragements without saying a single word. they inspire(d) me to sit and get lahhaa. your brain adjusts, aand sends those "happy" chemicalz to part of ur body where pain strickz. u dont feel much but the vibz of chardi kalla people around u. all i can say is we missin out on experience if we let our selves let our mind/desires take over us during that time. guru sahib kirpa karna

should we give excuses on behalf of our young (teens or adolescents) to do what they do(their hormones actin up?)

if kids have fear it will work on um...if they know whats right and wrong they will do the right things once they know the consequences of their actions.(for some worldly fear of people "talkin" nd for some the most sever consequence: losin time and the moment of grace. missing out and lossin the opportunity to be in sangat...with Akal!)

im gonna put a though, and few of us will say what most adults say to this "we aren't guru sahib or puratan singhs/kaurs", but our beloved sahib jadey were young...what were they instructed to do by Dasam pita maharaj ji?

situations are the same( war/battle is the same)...just the battlefield is different. they gave their life for sikhi, didnt even care about the "beautiful" brides they could have only by excepting diff dharam? many of the singhs and singhnis went through that. (history might not have written(haven't read it anywhere) about few who chose to be pick the other option and live a "great" materialists life instead of Sikh life.

with Gurbani kirtan our 5 dootz/dushtz are controlled, and if we gonna tell our young onez that its ok to go and chat while kirtan is goin on. or do other stuff...when are they gonna learn how to sit at gurdwara for longer than few hrs? when are they gonna learn to be in a sangat of chardi kalla people? when are they gonna learn that one needs to control him/her self and make the mind sit? and like S1ngh said, when are they gonna learn that what elders think or say needz to be followed or at least try to think about their reasoning for saying what they said...

i was and am afraid to post what is written.

why? because its easy to write stuff down, the ideals, than to follow. maya in kaljug is after each soul that anyone can fall. im so weak to begin with...havnt been on the path for long

only by His kirpa can we get out of this thought and enjoy the kirtan, get lahhaa.

bhul chuk muaf karni

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh!