Ghagga Debate

[dasmesh_regiment]

i am not doubting the fundamental concept of ardas

i still think that kulbir's point was put to pot by a simple answer

Singh132 wrote - There is no doubt that if a Gursikh does Ardaas and that ardaas has all the conditions met (true heart, full faith in Guru Sahib, not wishing harm on others, Sikh is trying to follow Sikhi honestly, etc.) it will be fulfilled.

this echoes what kulbir was trying to say.

however are you telling me that in the countless ardas vedanti tohra indeed any other sikh who may be childless or in another need, have done there was not ONE SINGLE sikh who met the above conditions?

surely there was? yet im pretty sure those requests were not met

[Guest Narinder Singh]

i am not doubting the fundamental concept of ardas

i still think that kulbir's point was put to pot by a simple answer

Singh132 wrote - There is no doubt that if a Gursikh does Ardaas and that ardaas has all the conditions met (true heart, full faith in Guru Sahib, not wishing harm on others, Sikh is trying to follow Sikhi honestly, etc.) it will be fulfilled.

this echoes what kulbir was trying to say.

however are you telling me that in the countless ardas vedanti tohra indeed any other sikh who may be childless or in another need, have done there was not ONE SINGLE sikh who met the above conditions?

surely there was? yet im pretty sure those requests were not met

Hmmm, have you forgotten who Vedanti and Torha are? One is a whimp (in fear of losing his position) while the other one was a gadaar.

Guru Sahib gives to those who rightfully deserve it.

Fateh

[TeraRoop11]

dasmesh regiment Jeeo - we can't analyze everything and provide answers for everything, either.. but maybe Waheguru Ji didn't want to give them a child, for whatever reason, so despite Sangat Ji's Ardaas, they were not given a child?

And if I were you, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that no one in Sangat did a true Ardas.. I mean, however unlikely, it can happen, right? There are a lot of different reasons for that, as well - maybe Ardas wasn't strong enough, because it wasn't anyone's personal cause.

[dasmesh_regiment]

i dont think you understand my point

"dasmesh regiment Jeeo - we can't analyze everything and provide answers for everything, either.. but maybe Waheguru Ji didn't want to give them a child, for whatever reason, so despite Sangat Ji's Ardaas, they were not given a child?"

yes so ardas even WITH a true heart doesnt guarantee you what you ask for

[B4ND4]

i dont think you understand my point

"dasmesh regiment Jeeo - we can't analyze everything and provide answers for everything, either.. but maybe Waheguru Ji didn't want to give them a child, for whatever reason, so despite Sangat Ji's Ardaas, they were not given a child?"

yes so ardas even WITH a true heart doesnt guarantee you what you ask for

Guru Ji is jaani jaan veer ji. We cant condone the authority of ardass and we are mere worms to even question the power of ardass. A person keeps looking for ways to express his intellect, forgetting the true guru. I am not the one who can provide you with shabds from Sri Guru Granth Sahib but we all know from japji sahib

BrIAY hQu pYru qnu dyh ]

bhareeai hathh pair than dhaeh ||

When the hands and the feet and the body are dirty,

pwxI DoqY auqrsu Kyh ]

paanee dhhothai outharas khaeh ||

water can wash away the dirt.

mUq plIqI kpVu hoie ]

mooth paleethee kaparr hoe ||

When the clothes are soiled and stained by urine,

dy swbUxu leIAY Ehu Doie ]

dhae saaboon leeai ouhu dhhoe ||

soap can wash them clean.

BrIAY miq pwpw kY sMig ]

bhareeai math paapaa kai sa(n)g ||

But when the intellect is stained and polluted by sin,

Ehu DopY nwvY kY rMig ]

ouhu dhhopai naavai kai ra(n)g ||

it can only be cleansed by the Love of the Name.

puMnI pwpI AwKxu nwih ]

pu(n)nee paapee aakhan naahi ||

Virtue and vice do not come by mere words;

kir kir krxw iliK lY jwhu ]

kar kar karanaa likh lai jaahu ||

actions repeated, over and over again, are engraved on the soul.

Awpy bIij Awpy hI Kwhu ]

aapae beej aapae hee khaahu ||

You shall harvest what you plant.

nwnk hukmI Awvhu jwhu ]20]

naanak hukamee aavahu jaahu ||20||

O Nanak, by the Hukam of God's Command, we come and go in reincarnation. ||20||

We shall reap what we sow, On one hand we are part of the dirty politics and on the other we have the guts to got to guru ji and ask for a child ?

As a child i always wondered why people are crazy after money, with time i realized that the world is lost. This realization came when i was lost too. Similar is the case with Guru Ji. We are kids when it comes to understanding the power of gurbani, contemplating the true meaning of our existence. The day we become ik-mik with Guru Ji will be the day we'll stop wandering and questioning waheguru.

[dasmesh_regiment]

having watched all videos i found some of kulbir's arguments rubbish

he was far too forceful and not willing to listen, many of his points were based on stories which may or may not have historical backing - the same as ghagga yet he criticised him for it

his points on guru arjan dev ji and guru nanak dev ji were right though

but ghagga really knows his stuff historically and is actually

whenever kulbir got blown out hes says ok lets drop it and moves onto something else

kulbir always thinks his view is 100%

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