Misconception- Saabat Soorat Dastaar Siraa

[curious_man]

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i was listening to a katha on birha by Sant Singh Maskeen Ji and a point came that the shabad "...saabat sura dastaar sira" was in the context of muslims and not directly for sikhs rehit. As many kathavaachaks give this example that a sikh shld wear turban have kesh becoz of this shabad.

actually... here Guru sahib is telling how a muslim should be...and since Gurbaani is universal, it comes to sikhs also. But, its just the way of saying, nothing wrong, but its not "directly" mention to sikhs rehit as it is generally understood.

this understanding only comes if all the lines of the shabad is read.

I know many of u wud be knowing all this... but since i found this point important so i mentioned.

SHABAD ----> http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=3795

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[Guest G.Kaur]

Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh

It's not sura but saabath soorath dhasathaar siraa

[Gurbar Akaal]

The shabad has nothing to do with promoting the wearing of a turban or keeping kesh.

The shabad emphasises that the external actions of people are fruitless if they dont worship god properly, rather than keeping a turban, they should see god everywhere and their self awareness should accept this.

[jss]

this is true....if we look even at prof sahib singh ji's darpan...we will see it has nothing to do with keski...

the promoters of the keski...MISUSE this line of ilahi gurbani to push their points...which this is wrong..

one site is the akj.org....in their literature section they use this line in the gurmat maryada points of contention article...

i have nothing againt someone promoting keski....just don't misuse gurbani to do so...

i hope our brothers inthe akj will look at this and consider researching that gurbani line in more depth and edit their literature accordingly.

[immortal57]

i went on akj.org literature section, but cudnt find any mention of keski or saabat soorat dastaar sira

a link maybe? or cud u tell me where it is?

[jss]

http://www.akj.org/skins/one/books.php?ch=...d=3&start=4

scroll down to where it talks about Keski

[immortal57]

http://www.akj.org/skins/one/books.php?ch=...d=3&start=4

scroll down to where it talks about Keski

ohh yeah

ill message the admin, see what they say

[raj_karega_khalsa]

Many Singhs from ALL Jathay use this thuk in favour of Dastaar....

I've talked to a few Singhs about this, they had some interesting things to say...

Soorath has been translated as awareness, Surath...but it is supposed to be Soorath, in the complete form, Saabath Soorath....

[sikha]

curius man:

Bani of Baba fareed also tells you to do namaz five times a day and go to the mosque, does this also apply to sikhs when you say Gurbani is universal and applies for everyone?

[curious_man]

no... not directly!!

dont just follow words. if u just look at the veechars of of all 15 bhagats.. u will find "contradicting" statements".

bhagat Fareed ji did namazaan and reached to God... bhagat Ramanand ..a pure sanatani... he also reached God.

the point is ... LOVE..not veechar

whomesoever reached God will tell his experience , the way he reached to God.

But here what Guru Nanak ji came, "aayi panthi sagal jamati.." , Guru Nanak ji said, whomsoever has the love is accepted, our panth is sagal(with everyone).