SGGS question

[Gupt daasan daas]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

In pad ched, the bani is the same. But the way the people seperate it make mistakes. For example( got this off tapoban site), if u have sadhan, right, it mean women. But if u seperate it to sa dhan, which is what happens in pad ched saroops, it means that women. SO, we just changed bani, its aarth. Its really important to print only lareedar, but i think its too far to go and say pad ched isnt guru je.

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Deep Singh]

yeah but veerji, in most cases we can see from the context what the Gurbani is telling us. like if it is going to be 'women' or 'that women'. it is essential that Pad-Ched is allowed, or else there would be no Steek.

However Larivaar Saroops should be printed only. (i agree on this one), but as a Steek it is natural that it is going to be a Pad-Ched.

[Gupt daasan daas]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

ya paji, im talking about saroops.

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Son of Guru Gobind Singh Ji]

:D @ :wub: @ @

Man, what is happening to us??????

A mistake? WHAT?

Man, this is DHAN DHAN SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI you're talking about!! Guru sahib has no mistakes. Before jumping to conclusion, I seriously urge you to go in front of Guru sahib, read the entire bani, do you see any mistakes???. PLEASE don't just take someone's word for it, that it has mistakes, that person may not even know nothing about Gurbani, so please check your sources before you post such things!!!!!!!

Sikhs saying there's a mistake in SGGS saroop, whether lareevar or padd ched?? Man this is the worst thing I've heard in a

while!

Bhul chuk di khima.

Bhai Daljeet Singh Jio try to understand the argument. NO ONE said there are errors or mistakes in Gurbani but in the way some people seperated the words does make one occur errors while reading baani. Why is this? Because Pad-Ched (seperation) of the words was NOT done by Guru Sahibs, but mere humans. Do you get it now?

[Learner]

Dear Bhai Sahib Jee's

I understand that there is difference of opinion with the Pad Chhed in about 500-700 places..

But what about Lareevaar? is there difference of opinion with Lareevaar..please Bhai Sahib Jee can you find out from SGPC or knowledgeable Sikh.

thank you

Sat Nam

[Gupt daasan daas]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

lareedar sarrops is exactly how guru je wrote bani, and all lareedar sarrops are the same.

Exactly the same

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Deep Singh]

okey now i got the mail from Panth Khalsa Singhs,

they showed some good examples how Steeks differ when different scholars interprate Gurbani. As we know Larivaar is the one and same, but when scholars as Bhai Veer Singh, Prof. Sahib Singh, SGPC-authored ShabadArth, and the famous Faridkoti Teeka (eldest Steek of SGGS in the Giani Sampardaya) they have differences to where they shall seperate the words. And in turn, when the modern printers print SGGS in Pad-Ched they chose the seperation according to their own thinking. and THAT is wrong.

but still when a Saroop is already printed it should be given equal respect, as the letters are the same.

Steeks will always be different as scholars are always going to fight over what is the seperation, etc. @ but the Saroop that is kept at home / Gurdwara could be one if they are Larivaar.

[Mkhalsa]

actually deep singh the letters are not the same.. theres extra characters (spaces) added here and there which significantly alters the bani. If we can add spaces, we might as well move on to adding comas in saroops showing where to pause (like amrit keertans have)

then we might decide to add a bindi here and there where we think it should be.. and we could change all of the "q" to "qw"

where will it end?

look at around when padcheed started to be printed.. when did all the sikhs start to get corrupt? when did rehat decline? when did knowledge decline?

when we mess with our guru sahib and dhur kee bani, the panth suffers significantly. I dont think the panth can make any major strides until we have major acceptance of larivaar saroops again.

[Deep Singh]

i didn't know that jee.

sorry for that...you guys are right!