Never Understood

[THE WARRIOR]

There is no conflict between freewill and Vahegurus Hukam. Hukam can be seen as divine law for all Sargun creation. Here it is happening and you are part of it, but because it’s happening in the background it not so obvious. Our everyday existence our situations that create emotional ups, downs, highs and lows etc etc everything that comes to us externally is also in a way hukam. We follow Rehit for example this is a different type of Hukam, here the Hukam is direct more personal more obvious this is could be the turning point away from where we may have been destined etc.

How we deal with all concepts of Hukam is according to our freewill. Freewill is not controlled by anyone but us, the tendencies, desires that make up a part of our behaviour or what we call I. How “I” is made up is according Karma, fundamentally what you sow is what you reap “apai beej apai he khahoo”. My understanding here is the gift of freewill to be used fruitfully by obtaining consciousness and awareness in physical life by planting the seed we will reap the benefits, the fruits of our spiritual, temporal existence will benefit us towards salvation, mukti, liberation.

If the Papi is committing Pap he too is gifted with the same freewill, he chooses his actions as we all do. However he too is subject to indirect and direct Hukam as we all are.

hukmai andar sabh ko, bahir hukam na koai.

nanak hukmai jai bujhai, ta homai kehai na koai.

All are subject to His Will, and no one is exception. Nanak says: When man realizes His Will and adjusts accordingly, then his egoism die of itself

changaaeia buraaeia vachai dharam hadoor

karmi aapo aapni kai nairhai kai door.

Good and bad deeds performed in life are examined by Lord of Justice (Dharam Raj) in the presence of the Lord. It is our actions, which keep us near or far away from the Lord.

[anom7]

veer

if i was tryuing to make sence of theories, i cud have posted many

we talked about this when i used tot ake phipspgu, fre will vs destiny

thas not wa im intrested in

im trying to get wa guru jes saying. plz read my piost again and the thuks from anand sahib

ure last senteces didnt make sence, at least to me

maybe i need u to clarify

u cant have free will, and at the same time have vaheguru dicating everything as his play

well u cud if gurbani says it but we cant understand it until we learnt he laws of the universe, which requires mad bhagthi

guru je says in anand sahib as u dicate, eveything happens

a bhagath is a bhagath soley because vaheguru wishes it

but then that doesnt mean theres free wil involved, free willw ud mean im becoming a bhagth

and thas wat japji sahib says when it says apai beej apai he khahoo

but those two dont agree with each other, well they do, but they dont APPEAR to be, im missing the entire meanig

like i said this question isnt gonna be easy to solve, no matter wat uve told ureself

a child cannot grasp physics, but maybe if we talk about it we might get a better understanding

i really jus posted this out of curosity, it really doesnt matter to me if vaheguru deos something or ifim doing it

at the end of the day, i always think vaheguru is the cause for everything

his bhagthi is wa we shud be ulitmatley trying to do, and only then will we know the truth about he universe

[Harpreet_Singh]

"u cant have free will, and at the same time have vaheguru dicating everything as his play"

I feel it is something along the lines of accepting that everything is under the command of God. He can do anything he feels with a blink of an eye. But while we submit to God's will and realize he is all knowing and can change anything at anytime.. we still have free will and should act realizing that in the bigger scheme of things we are under his will.

We often here individuals claim that if Guru Sahib wills it, only then will they get into sikhi. Only if Waheguru does kirpa, only then will they stop drinking smoking etc. But in that case.. why do we eat? If everything is strictly in God's will, then Waheguru Ji would pick up the fork and feed me. Why do I get up in the morning? everything is in God's command and he should be getting me up.. So this argument is a bit childish and we should realize we do have free will.. but at teh same time we should all submit to God's will and the fact that Guru Sahib can do or change anything at anytime.. Just remember we are rewarded for our good actions and everything is fair in God's court. This is how i look at it.. if it made any sense. It is a difficult topic to say in words.

[anom7]

it is a really difficult topic veera, if it wasnt i prob wudnt have asked it

but illk just restate evrything in my last post, cuzs it will pretty much ask again wat ill be asking now

[_anon_]

^ r u asking whether we have some element of free will?

[anom7]

sort of, jus read my posts and if u still got questions post again and ill try to ask my question again