Question From A Muslim Friend Of Mine

[ghorandhar]

Guru Nanak Dev jee along with the other gurus came into this world for the following reason:

suxI pukwr dwqwr pRB gur nwnk jg mwihM pTwXw]

The benefactor Lord listened to the cries (of humanity) and sent guru Nanak dev jee to this world. (Bhai Gurdas jee)

The Invaders who were Muslims had entered the lands of India and murdered, looted and forced their religion on others. According to Guru Gobind Singh jee maharaj in the bachittar natak, Hinduism and Islam had taken away the sole centre of religion, which is worshipping God, rather in these religions the names of the prophets rather than God were shown preferance. So Guru Nanak Dev jee sang gurbani (the divine revelation of the Lord) and praised God as represented in Mool mantar at the start of the Guru Granth Sahib jee.

Hindus not only had stopped worshipping god, (by dividing his attributes into manfiestations) but they also divided humanity into a class system:

cwrY pYr DrMm dy cwr vrn iek vrn krwXw]

Dharma was now established on its four feet and all the four castes (through fraternal feeling) were converted into one caste (of humanity). (Bhai Gurdas jee)

These are just some of the reasons why Guru Nanak DEv jee came to this world and how social system along with religious systems had failed the devotee. The principles which Guru Nanak Dev jee stood for were not new, guru Nanak Dev jee simply spoke the truth, truth has always existed, as represented by the bani of the bhagats, whos bani supports the principles of the gurus

People who follow the truth such as Bhagat Kabir jee, Bhagat Nam DEv jee, Bhagat Farid jee all reached God, even though they came before the times of Guru Nanak Dev, they represented the same ideology. Remembering or meditating on the Lords name has been given as the highest religion by the Sikh Gurus (notice that a specific religion is not named, the purpose of life is not limited to labels:

sB qy aUqm iehu krmu ] This is the most exalted deed.

sgl Drm mih sRyst Drmu]Of all faiths, this is the most sublime and excellent faith.

hir ismrin qyrw hoie auDwru ]Meditating in remembrance on the Lord, you shall be saved.

jnm jnm kw auqrY Bwru ]3]You shall be rid of the burden of countless incarnations. ||3||

The Guru however has given his Sikhs a code of conduct, the code is distinct from other religions. Rather than just worshipping god or looking after those of the faith (as many religions only look out for each other), a Sikh lives to serve humanity. This makes a Sikh unique. In the case of a Sikh, he must follow his guru, its not simply possible as saying I remember the Lord therefore I can reach God. Dharam is a path, walking on no path will lead you no where and all you will do is get lost. Sikhs cannot use this as an excuse to not follow Sikhi.

Guru Nanak Dev jes bani reminds us of the essentials to reach God (as noted in this post). There are many figures in the Sikh history such as Baba budhan Shah, baba Bikhan Shah, Mian Mir etc, the gurus never told them to change faith, however it is normally accepted in Sikhism that these people had reached God.

Sorry for mistakes I have made. This is not an easy topic to understand and my knowledge is limited, i have only said what I understand at this moment in time, through discussing we can learn more.

[Kharku]

yh i agree, their whole purpose and teachings are on GOD

but there followers follow them, meditate on them, metion them. not GOD

its always I, I, I, never HIM, HIM, HIM

[Guest peacemaker]

but there followers follow them, meditate on them, metion them. not GOD

Now, now, I would say that isn't true at all. How could you say that about every single follower of those religions on this planet? Have you ever been to a church or a mosque or a temple?! The importance of God is stressed very much. Jesus, Moses and Mohammed were all messengers of God and their followers follow the word of God through their teachings.

[Kharku]

but there followers follow them, meditate on them, metion them. not GOD

Now, now, I would say that isn't true at all. How could you say that about every single follower of those religions on this planet? Have you ever been to a church or a mosque or a temple?! The importance of God is stressed very much. Jesus, Moses and Mohammed were all messengers of God and their followers follow the word of God through their teachings.

yhhhhh, they all preached about god, but using thier name, through me you will achieve salvation.

dont get me wrong, i love alot of jesus's teachings aint read much on islam. but what ive read and watched its always jesus, mohamed, buddha metioned first

[Guest peacemaker]

yhhhhh, they all preached about god, but using thier name, through me you will achieve salvation.

dont get me wrong, i love alot of jesus's teachings aint read much on islam. but what ive read and watched its always jesus, mohamed, buddha metioned first

If you say "yeah" to someone, it means you are agreeing with them. I am confused now. Can you post a direct quote or link to something that makes you think otherwise?

[Kharku]

what im trying to say is, they preached there name aswell as gods. they favored themselfs using the praise of god giving themselfs a higher status.

yh they preached about god, but they also preached about themselves

[Guest peacemaker]

what im trying to say is, they preached there name aswell as gods. they favored themselfs using the praise of god giving themselfs a higher status.

yh they preached about god, but they also preached about themselves

*brain freezes* :6

[Kharku]

what im trying to say is, they preached there name aswell as gods. they favored themselfs using the praise of god giving themselfs a higher status.

yh they preached about god, but they also preached about themselves

*brain freezes* :6

POW!!!

[Guest peacemaker]

I had that reaction because I didn't understand the point you made at all. Do you even understand what you're typing? lol

[Guest fordcapri]

my answer is there were many messengers of god but then mayb u might ask, why were they not as successful as nanak...thats wherer im confused now :gg:

So Jesus wasn't as successful as Guru Nanak and neither was Moses? What are you basing success on?

they say Jesus was muslim.

they're trained and geard up for questions and answers from the advise of well versed scholars, something which we are not.