Ravidassis Seek Sarna’s Arrest

[apnepart2]

jeevan Quality is better than Quantity. india has the most number of muslims in the world for any country, then why are muslims at the lowest level comapred to middle east? americans being so few in numbers dominate the whole world, how? the british were a tiny percentage compared to the indian population, then how did the rule over us? baburs invading army was way less than defending afghans and later rajputs, how did he win? look at jews and they don't have enough numbers and isreal is a pain in the a** of the whole muslim world. last but not the least just read History of Sikhs and how they overcame hugh numbers. Maharaja Ranjit Singhs army was very small compared to the then British Indian Army, and the British feared him. These rioters in jalandhar punjab were just bhuke nange labourers who were paid to have some fun for a few days. If it comes to gun for gun, they would just fade away. And also have a look at welloff dalits who benefited from reservation, they have just one or two childeren. only the poor who has no other source of 'entertainment' have many childeren.

about ambedkar, he wanted to convert to sikhism but did not convert due to gandhi who said he will not have reservation for sikhs as they are casteless but ambedkar wanted reservation so he converted to buddhism. BTW where is bhuddism in India now?

About jatt mentality, teri ******.

About assassination of tenth master, tera piyo vekhan giyA si 1708 vich?

about delhi riots, tere daD ne ki kita si 84 vich?

about caste, can you elaborate on your family history regarding marriages?

rab rakha.

[Jeevan]

Dear Apnepart2,

I have no wish to get in to a personal argument if you follow my thread I try to keep the debate impersonal without trying to insult individuals. My Punjabi is not that great so please translate the parts you typed up.

Thanks

Jeevan

[Bijla Singh]

Jeevan, you are making false statements all over the place. Sikhs were betrayed in Anglo Sikh Wars by dogras not by Sikhs. It was dogras that are the real culprits. Sikhs trusted them and treated them equally. In turn what they did is clear to everyone. You do not know how partition worked. British never wanted to put Lahore on the east side. Punjab was divided based on population. Besides, Sikhs were never the majority in Lahore. If it wasn’t for Sikhs India never would’ve had the Punjab it got in 1947.

You are simply deluded into thinking that Indira Gandhi could’ve been tried in courts which were controlled by her own party. Every judge supported her. Not to mention half million hindu sadhus spoke against Sikhs and supported her for attacking Sikhs. The same courts did nothing against the perpetrators who organized the mobs. Time has changed but justice is still not served. Why? Sikhi has not lost the moral compass. It is people who are blinded by Brahmanism. Dalits are not any different. Ravidas Ji never started any cult or group then where are these Ravidasis are sprouting from? What moral principles did they show when they burnt shops and attacked innocent people in Punjab? Which moral principle is Jason highlighting by threatening to kill Sikhs all over India? Just because they have support of Brahmins doesn’t mean they have moral grounds. I hardly doubt every single Hindu will fight against the Sikhs because that is simply impossible. Most Hindus will run around like jackals when the Singhs fight back in a organized manner. We rather die fighting than accept slavery which dalits have suffered for thousands of years. Brahmins were never their friends and even today dalits are only puppets. As long as they serve the purpose of Brahmins, they will be supported by even then they will be lower caste. Ravidasis are classed as part of Hinduism and whichever group accepted that became extinct. Only Sikhs are fighting against it and shall win. Guru Sahib is on our side and that is all we need. If we could stand against mighty empires of Mughals, British, Durannis then this Hindu country is not any different to us. We shall win again.

[Singh, Mahan]

I just came to know that the lawyer that Sarna sent to Vienna is back in Delhi.

He held a news conference there. However the only report of that I could find so far is published in Punjabi, and it is posted at the following link

http://www.***anti-sikh website not allowed***/mirrorfullpage.aspx?view=main&mview=Aug&dview=19&pview=3

If someone can find it published in English please post it here for every one to see. (Most likely we may not see it in Indian newspapers published in English.)

[apnepart2]

dear jeevan, first learn some punjabi and then perhaps you will understand the essence of guru granth sahib.

and just becoz someone is discriminated does not warrant on an entire community or guru sahib. guru sahib does not see jason as a chamaar but he himself does. and if some sikhs point that out to him he screams DISCRIMINATION.

I just came to know that the lawyer that Sarna sent to Vienna is back in Delhi.

He held a news conference there. However the only report of that I could find so far is published in Punjabi, and it is posted at the following link

http://www.rozanaspo...view=19&pview=3

If someone can find it published in English please post it here for every one to see. (Most likely we may not see it in Indian newspapers published in English.)

heading says baba may have been murdered becoz of lakhs (10 lakh is one million) of Dollars and kilos of gold.

summary;

baba ramanand had been hurting religious sentiments of local sikhs by having rumaala sahib touched to his feet before having guru granth sahib covered.

there were around 250 weapons inside the ravidasi place of worship.

baba niranjan das flew back with lakhs of dollars and kilos of pure gold.

sikhs who fired bullets were branded as members of osama group in some articles in newspapers.

conspiracy to label sikhs as terrorists.

attacking youths were severly beatenup by followers of baba, had hot dal, oil pured on them from kitchen,

the pistol which killed baba had fired only eight rounds but there were fifty bullets fired, where did rest 42 bullets come from?

sarna demands international presurre on austria to come out with right facts about the case.

BTW the laywer is a hindu from delhi high court.

heard this on radio a few weeks ago;

youths went inside to request baba and gang to stop beadbi but got beaten up. a youth with pistol who was outside then went inside and fired the shots.

[Guest amar_jkp]

It doesn't hurt us Ravidassis that you start blaming Sants of Ballan, Radhasoamis or any other reloigious group. I don't know of any religious group in Punjab which you don't have problems with in Punjab except Christians and Muslims. With Christians, you don't have a choice because your brethren have to live in Western christian countries after committing crimes in India and seek asylim. You try to be in their good books. With muslims, you know they will teach you guys a lesson if you trouble them.

Except Christians and Muslims all other dukki tikki cults try to run their deras by twisting Gurmat. They keep Guru Granth Sahib yet preach their own trash. All try to portray themselves as Gurus which is false. We are not afraid of Christians or Muslims. Look back in history when they ruled India. Who stood up to them? Sikhs did. Where were dalits? Cleaning toilets of Brahmins.

Ravidassias, you have messed with, I hope you guys have seen the trailer. If you don't learn, Ravidassias and dalits are all over India while you are not. Your antics put the lives of millions of peaceloving sikhs in danger. You feed into cycle of terrorism, then suffer, cry but never learn.

What’s real arrogance is that a follower of Ravidas (who preached peace and never fight) is talking about killing innocent Sikhs all over India. Is this what your fake babas teach you? Can you justify your statement based on Ravidas’s bani? You are the one going around in the streets like hooligans, burning shops, causing riots and attacking innocents yet Sikhs are the terrorists. What a great way to show your chumaar puna. You people will never learn.

This is hallmark of arrogance and this is what makes religion perish. Hundreds of such religions have perished over millenium and nobody would know about you guys 100 years from now. You will be seen as a blimp on the screen of time where only things that would be remebered are that Nanak had started a doctrine based on peace and equality after learning from Bhagats, Gobind Singh created a militant group for the protection of weak which lateron turned upon itself and was reduced to groups involved in gross criminal activities and was wiped out in time.

Mughals, British and many others said the same thing yet here we are. Sikhs still exist. You chumaars are uneducated and ignorant. When will you learn the fact that Khalsa will never cease to exist. When great empires couldn’t exterminate us who the h*e*l*l are you? We will be here but your cult won’t and neither would India. Ravidas was a sargun worshipper first. He went to Kabir Ji to debate which was recorded by Bhagat Sain Ji in “Samvaad Kabir Ravidas”. Kabir Ji won and Ravidas started worshipping nirgun Akaal. Then he obtained Naam from Guru Nanak Dev Ji. His entire bani is in Gurmukhi. He uses same mangal and Rahao in his bani. His copied Aarti from Guru Sahib. You know nothing about Bhagat Ravidas yet claim to be his follower. By the way do you also follow the same profession as Ravidas? Many of your people in India walk around barefoot. Make them some shoes.

They are growing like anything because they are peace loving and peace attracts people.

Bigotry at its peak. Peace loving? You caused riots in Punjab and threatening to kill innocent Sikhs all over India. You are the one starting terrorism. You dalits are not even considered part of human society in India. Your women were not allowed to cover their chest by Brahmins. Your women became prostitutes of Indian temples under the name of “devdasis”. If you could survive all that without fighting back then Khalsa won’t be finished because it fights back and stands up. Difference is you are eunuchs and Sikhs are fighters.

In India, Guru Granth Sahib has already been taken out. People have stopped buying Guru Granth Sahib. How can your baba be bought for 1100 rupees? In USA, you can buy GGS for $200 dollars. You consider book a living, what if some of your wicked terrorists shoot your baba? But it won't matter because your bab grows old almost every other day, you burn it and a new one is born in a factory somewhere. The point is not to insult you. You have become of laughingstock when you forget that it is bani which is guru not a book. Bani written in Guru Granth Sahib or written on a scrap of peper carries same respect and saints and innocents don't deserve to be killed for bani. Bani doesn't say that.

Good to hear you have finally accepted yourselves as hindus. You are not Sikhs. Sikhs believe in Shabad Guru not a book. Shabad has always been the Guru not paper, ink or binding. Aren’t clothes of your baba made in factory that cost 100 rupees? Isn’t diaper your baba wears made in a factory? Let’s talk about your guru. Ravidas’s Guru was Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Since you won’t follow Guru Nanak Sahib Ji we go to the next guru of Ravidas Ji who was Ramanand Ji. Why don’t you follow Ramanand or his first guru Raghva Ji? Or better yet follow Ramanuj? Ravidas Ji never appointed anyone, never started any movement/cult/group and never established dera. So what is your history? Your current babas are fake. They are simply humans and the fools died with a bullet. After one is dead you look for another body and wander about like a madman in the streets. Shabad Guru is always eternal and never dies.

Ask Brahmins who the laughing stock is. Your status can be found in their books and look at how dalits live in India.

U missesd an important point Bijla Ji the treatment of Valmikis and Dalits from other states by Chamaars.

[Guest jason12]

The brave moderator is allowing abuses from his sikh brethren and when we respond he moderates and blocks the messages. Keep it up. It sure feel good when evil destrys itself in its own fire of hell.

Admin Note: Ban issued on your account for continuous use of harsh words against Sikhs in general.

[KEERPA]

Gobind Singh created a militant group for the protection of weak

Without getting into the full extent of this thread, Didnt GURU HARGOBIND SAHIB start miri-piri????????????????????????????????????? SO you "blame" Guru Gobind Singh but then what did Guru Hargobind start?????? Was Akal Takhat also "started by Guru Gobind Singh Sahib"?????????? :rolleyes:

In India, Guru Granth Sahib has already been taken out. People have stopped buying Guru Granth Sahib. How can your baba be bought for 1100 rupees? In USA, you can buy GGS for $200 dollars. You consider book a living, what if some of your wicked terrorists shoot your baba? But it won't matter because your bab grows old almost every other day, you burn it and a new one is born in a factory somewhere. The point is not to insult you.

What was you point then other than insulting Sikhs with your comment????? :rolleyes: You guys always contradict yourselves everyother sentence :lol:

The Gurubani needs to be compiled so when you insult by shallow thinking of calling Gubani anything other than Guru then you can never be called a Sikh.

This is hallmark of arrogance and this is what makes religion perish.

That I know of Sikhis masses have grown since Guru Gobind Singhs time even after facing slaughtering tyrants. Perish????? ravidasia hindus lie just about everyother word and thats a fact. Fact : ravidasia are hindus claiming to be Sikhs, if this was not so they wouldnt call themselves ravidasia.

[apnepart2]

The brave moderator is allowing abuses from his sikh brethren and when we respond he moderates and blocks the messages. Keep it up. It sure feel good when evil destrys itself in its own fire of hell.

Admin Note: Ban issued on your account for continuous use of harsh words against Sikhs in general.

atleast the mod is not pouring hot oil on your head as your goondas did to sikh youths in Austria. Your goondas beat up all the youths who were inside to protest. But the pistol was fired by only one youth then why did you beat other youths? Did they insult your Guru Ravidas or your Fake Baba like you are insulting Sikh Gurus? Did they insult Ravidasis in general as you insult Sikhs in general? Why didn't you stop your sant from having his feet touched by the rumalla sahib before having Guru Granth Sahib covered with it? Your Sant sowed what he reaped.