Dasam Granth Question - Somethin I Didnt Knw The Answer 2

[Southall Fauj]

Fateh Jee,

Saadh sangat jee, when talking to a Singh Sabha Canada gurnindak, I was asked some questions to which dass doesn't know the answer.

1) Who is Mahakaal from the famous tuks "Mahakaal Kaalika Aaradhee"?

2) ਚਮਕਹਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਣੰ। ਅਭੂਤੰ ਭਯਾਣੰ। ਧੁਣੰ ਨੇਵਰਾਯੰ। ਘੁਰੰ ਘੁੰਘ੍ਰਯਾਣੰ। ੩੧। ਚਤੁਰ ਬਾਹ ਚਾਰੰ। ਨਿਜੂਟੰ ਸੁਧਾਰੰ। ਗਦਾ ਪਾਸ ਸੋਹੰ। ਜਮੰ ਮਾਨ ਮੋਹੰ। ੩੨। ਸੁਭੰ ਜੀਭ ਜੁਆਲੰ। ਸੁ ਦਾੜਾ ਕਰਾਲੰ। ਬਜੀ ਬੰਬ ਸੰਖੰ। ਉਠੇ ਨਾਦੰ ਬੰਖੰ। ੩੩। ਸੁਭੰ ਰੂਪ ਸਿਆਮੰ। ਮਹਾ ਸੋਭ ਧਾਮੰ। ਛਬੇ ਚਾਰੁ ਚਿੰਤ੍ਰੰ। ਪਰੇਅੰ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰੰ। ੩੪।

Chumkeh Kirpaannung Abhoot Bheyannung Dhunnung Naivrayung Ghurung Ghungrayunnung 31 Chattur Bah Chaarung Nejootung Sudhaarung Gdaa Paas Sohung

Mahakal’s sword shines. It is very scary. Anklets smash and small bells in his feet clatter. 31. He has four beautiful arms. The hair is tied in a knot on head. The mace which he has is astonishing. It intrigues the hearts of messengers of death. 32.

His tongue is red; resembling fire from a volcano. His grinding teeth are scary. Drums and conches are sounding. They produce a whistling sound simil

They produce a whistling sound similar to the high tide waves in oceans. 33. His dark face looks befitting. It is the house of honorable. His look is beautiful. It is purer than it can be imagined. 34.

What is the meaning behind this sangat ji,

BTW, I in no way question Dasam Pita's bani.

VJKK VJKF.

[K. SINGH DEEP]

Mahakal means AKAAL means the master of kaal( Death causing angle)

and Mahakaal ,Akaal Purakh and Sarab Loh are the Synonyms used for

almighty WAHEGURU

[taksaalisingh]

Mahakaal means kaal ton vi wadda and kaal ton wadda sirf akaal purakh aaa.

There are 4 types :

Mahakaal (akaal purakh)

Kaal (death)

Mahakaal (shiv)

Arpkaal

Kaal means death

Mahakaal means shiv and mahakaal at the end also means akaal purakh like in chaupi sahib its written,

"makaal rakhwaar hamaaro"

Here mahakaal is referd to as akaal purakh.

[Bundha]

Southall Fauj,

The two quotes you give are not from the same shabad !

Mahakaal Kaalika Aaradhee - From Bachittar Natak, Mahakaal is AkaalPurkh, the big-kaal, the Kaal of Kaal - the creator of Death.

The second quote is not from the same shabad, you should ask the person asking the qustion where this shabad is from, i am not famillier with it but it could be from a number of compositions from Dasam Granth.

You say "Mahakal’s sword shines. It is very scary......." but from the quote you give Mahakaal is not mentioned, this could be a description about some one totally different.

This is how they try to confuse us. First they ask who is Mahakaal, then they say why is Mahakaal described thus, but that second quote looks to me like from a different composition and could be refering to someone else, we need the full shabad to understand what Sahib Ji are telling us.

[Inder Singh]

That verse is from Bachitra natak. mahakal means Akal purakh.

In the beginning of bachitra natak there is Sri Kal ji Ki ustat. When we read this it is clear that Guru sahib is praisng God or akal purkah. Chhand 17 mentions about Mahakal in the same way as is mentioned in the quote given above.

ਮਹਾ ਤੇਜ ਤੇਜੰ ਮਹਾ ਜ੍ਵਾਲ ਜ੍ਵਾਲੰ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੰ ਮਹਾ ਕਾਲ ਕਾਲੰ ॥੧੭॥

महा तेज तेजं महा ज्वाल ज्वालं ॥ महा मंत्र मंत्रं महा काल कालं ॥१७॥

He is the Most Effulgent of all lights and Supreme Conflagration of all fires. He is the Supreme Spell of all incantations and Supreme embodiment of Death over all such powers.17.

ਕਰੰ ਬਾਮ ਚਾਪਿਯੰ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਣੰ ਕਰਾਲੰ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਤੇਜ ਤੇਜੰ ਬਿਰਾਜੈ ਬਿਸਾਲੰ ॥

करं बाम चापियं क्रिपाणं करालं ॥ महा तेज तेजं बिराजै बिसालं ॥

He holds the bow in His left hand and the terrible sword (in the right). He is the Supreme Effulgence of all lights and sits in His Great Glory.

ਮਹਾਂ ਦਾੜ੍ਹ ਦਾੜ੍ਹੰ ਸੁ ਸੋਹੰ ਅਪਾਰੰ ॥ ਜਿਨੈ ਚਰਬੀਯੰ ਜੀਵ ਜਗਯੰ ਹਜਾਰੰ ॥੧੮॥

महां दाड़्ह दाड़्हं सु सोहं अपारं ॥ जिनै चरबीयं जीव जगयं हजारं ॥१८॥

He, of Infinite Splendour, is the masher of of the boar-incarnation with great grinder tooth. He crushed and devoured thousands of the creatures of the world.18.

ਡਮਾਡੰਮ ਡਉਰੂ ਸਿਤਾਸੇਤ ਛਤ੍ਰੰ ॥ ਹਾਹਾ ਹੂਹੂ ਹਾਸੰ ਝਮਾਝੱਮ ਅਤ੍ਰੰ ॥

डमाडम डउरू सितासेत छत्रं ॥ हाहा हूहू हासं झमाझ्म अत्रं ॥

The tabor (in the hand of Great Death (KAL) resounds and the black and white canopy swings. Loud laughter emanates from his mouth and the weapons (in his hands) glisten.

ਮਹਾ ਘੋਰ ਸਬਦੰ ਬਜੇ ਸੰਖ ਐਸੰ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਲੈ ਕਾਲ ਕੇ ਕਾਲ ਕੀ ਜ੍ਵਾਲ ਜੈਸੇ ॥੧੯॥

महा घोर सबदं बजे संख ऐसं ॥ प्रलै काल के काल की ज्वाल जैसे ॥१९॥

His conch produces such a terrible sound that appears like the blazing fire of the Death on doomsday.19.

Bachitra natak, Dasam Granth

In the shabad below Guru sahib mentions about God as Maha kal. This is a way of defining God by his functoinal names. If he brings us up he is called Gopal , if he is kind he called dayal . If he brings death he is called kal or mahakal.

These uneducated people of anti sikh organization singh sabha canada are not able to understand this. They are hardened anti religion people and communists. They do not listen to reasoning. One of their thugs active on internet calls himself kHalsa fauj. He is given this name on purpose to mislead people. in fact he is the guy who is doing most uncivilized propaganda against bani of Dasam pita.

ਰਸਾਵਲ ਛੰਦ ॥ ਤ੍ਵਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

रसावल छंद ॥ त्वप्रसादि ॥

RASAAVAL STANZA BY THY GRACE

ਚਮਕਹਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਣੰ ॥ ਅਭੂਤੰ ਭਯਾਣੰ ॥

चमकहि क्रिपाणं ॥ अभूतं भयाणं ॥

The sword of KAL glistens, which is Non-elemental and terrible.

ਧੁਨੰ ਨੇਵਰਾਣੰ ॥ ਘੁਰੰ ਘੁੰਘਰਾਣੰ ॥੩੧॥

धुनं नेवराणं ॥ घुरं घुंघराणं ॥३१॥

While moving, his anklets rattle and the small bells jingle.31.

ਚਤੁਰ ਬਾਂਹ ਚਾਰੰ ॥ ਨਿਜੂਟੰ ਸੁਧਾਰੰ ॥

चतुर बांह चारं ॥ निजूटं सुधारं ॥

He hath four winsome arms and on his head, his long hair have been bound in a lovely knot.

ਗਦਾ ਪਾਸ ਸੋਹੰ ॥ ਜਮੰ ਮਾਨ ਮੋਹੰ ॥੩੨॥

गदा पास सोहं ॥ जमं मान मोहं ॥३२॥

The mace with him appears splendid, which fascinate the honour of Yama.32.

ਸੁਭੰ ਜੀਭ ਜੁਆਲੰ ॥ ਸੁ ਦਾੜ੍ਹਾ ਕਰਾਲੰ ॥

सुभं जीभ जुआलं ॥ सु दाड़्हा करालं ॥

His tongue red like fire seems magnificent and his grinder teeth are very frightening.

ਬਜੀ ਬੰਬ ਸੰਖੰ ॥ ਉਠੇ ਨਾਦ ਬੰਖੰ ॥੩੩॥

बजी ब्मब संखं ॥ उठे नाद बंखं ॥३३॥

His conches and drums resound like the thundering sound of the sea. 33.

bachitra natak

[Southall Fauj]

thank u, sunny i hope that satisfys u and we can stop our debates over msn now stop listning to those singh canada (harmaan mann) gurnindaks and putting doubts in your mind.

Thanks sangat ji for the help. VJKK VJKF

[Inder Singh]

It is important to know who is this sunny? Is he sunny singh doad? if he is the same man then it is not possible to educate him.

This harman mann is same as khalsa fauj. He is not fully grown up yet. Our father Guru Gobind singh ji

apart from being our Guru was a literary giant and philosopher. His writings are very deep and quite complex.

So kids like khalsa fauj and his friends are not able to understand that.

Writing akal purakh by descritibng his features is a branch of knowledge called anthropomorphism. This is called

describing someone who is not human by human characteristics which has been used in bani of SGGS and extensively

in Dasam Granth sahib.

Khalsa fauj is going from site to site abusing Guru sahib's writings in filthiest language. he has no other work except he is whole

time employed anti sikh forces for propaganda. Do not ever believe what he says.

[S1ngh]

It is better to ask them what is their interpretation of mahakal. Let them give their view. Then it is quite easy to pin them down from gurbani.

They think mahakla is hindu demigod shiva. But they do not say openly.

[Southall Fauj]

It is important to know who is this sunny? Is he sunny singh doad? if he is the same man then it is not possible to educate him.

This harman mann is same as khalsa fauj. He is not fully grown up yet. Our father Guru Gobind singh ji

apart from being our Guru was a literary giant and philosopher. His writings are very deep and quite complex.

So kids like khalsa fauj and his friends are not able to understand that.

Writing akal purakh by descritibng his features is a branch of knowledge called anthropomorphism. This is called

describing someone who is not human by human characteristics which has been used in bani of SGGS and extensively

in Dasam Granth sahib.

Khalsa fauj is going from site to site abusing Guru sahib's writings in filthiest language. he has no other work except he is whole

time employed anti sikh forces for propaganda. Do not ever believe what he says.

yer its sunny singh doad we were having a debate.

hes asked where is mahakaal used for akalpurkh in SGGS wot ang/shabd etc.

[Inder Singh]

yer its sunny singh doad we were having a debate.

hes asked where is mahakaal used for akalpurkh in SGGS wot ang/shabd etc.

I do not understand why he is asking you when we have shown it to his buddy khalsa fauj a number of times.

It was also shown here that word mahkala comes in SGGS also. But unny singh doad is more a follower of so called khalsa

Fauj than a sikh of guru gobind singh ji.

This heretic khalsa fauj does not recite banis of nitnem and calls himself a khalsa. He does not believe in Jaap sahib yet he writes himself a khalsa.

These people are liars. Their main aim is to mislead sangat.

rwm nwm ismir qU jIvih iPir n KweI mhw kwlu ]1] rhwau ]

raam naam simar thoo jeevehi fir n khaaee mehaa kaal ||1|| rehaao ||

Meditating in remembrance on the Lord's Name, you shall live, and the Great Death shall not consume you ever again. ||1||Pause||

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