Bhai Harbinder Singh Ji On Ragi Darshan Singh Controversy

[Panthic Updates]

http://patshahi10.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=323:bhai-harbinder-singh-ji-on-ragi-darshan-singh-controversy&catid=42:interview&Itemid=78Bhai Harbinder Singh Ji, UK, reviews the latest controversy that has emerged following the derogatory remarks by Darshan Singh Ragi on the life and banee of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib.

Why every few years someone in the garb Sikhi rakes up an unnecessary issue and creates ruffles in the panthic circles? It was Kala Afghana some years ago, followed by Spokesman and Now Ragi Darshan Singh. Bhai Sahib analysis the modus operandi of these individuals; how they play with the emotions of a lay Sikh and try to cash on that. From Kala Afghana to Ragi, the aim is to create confusion on the banee, bana and traditions of the Khalsa. They start by attacking the Dasam Banee, but end up questioning everything that has been part and parcel of the Khalsa institution.

[Sarbat da Pala]

wah ji wah great speech. Maharaj Kirpa karan. Har ek sikh edha jawaab deh sake us dushia nu

[BhForce]

The fact is, the average Sikh hasn't read Gurbani, forget Dasam Bani.

So he is very vulnerable to whatever new person stands up and says that he knows the real Sihkhi and that every preacher, Sikh, and mahapurkh for the last 300 years has been wrong.

To give an example, Harjinder Singh Dilgeer, the ousted head of the Sikh History Research Board says stuff like calling the first Master "Guru Nanak Dev Ji" is Brahminical. He says should be Guru Nanak Sahib.

Yet, Gurbani clearly calls Guru Ji "Dev":

ਤਿਨ ਕਉ ਕਿਆ ਉਪਦੇਸੀਐ ਜਿਨ ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਉ ॥੧॥

What teachings can be imparted to those who have the Guru Nanak Dev as their Guru? ||1|| p150

ਬੋਹਿਥੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਉ ਗੁਰੁ ਜਿਸੁ ਹਰਿ ਚੜਾਏ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਉਜਲੁ ਤਰਣਾ ॥੨੨॥

Guru Nanak Dev is the boat upon which those placed by God will float in this world-ocean. p 1102

ਗੁਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਵ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਰੂਪ ॥੮॥੧॥

Guru Nanak Dev is the form of God. p 1192

So, the reason these people have the gall to stand up and make stuff up is the average Sikh has no clue what Bani says.

[raj_karega_khalsa]

Vaah...wow...that was awesome...spot on

[Southall Fauj]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qunSGOvYvWk

times up for the troll ragi

[Inder Singh]

http://patshahi10.or...rview&Itemid=78Bhai Harbinder Singh Ji, UK, reviews the latest controversy that has emerged following the derogatory remarks by Darshan Singh Ragi on the life and banee of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib.

Why every few years someone in the garb Sikhi rakes up an unnecessary issue and creates ruffles in the panthic circles? It was Kala Afghana some years ago, followed by Spokesman and Now Ragi Darshan Singh. Bhai Sahib analysis the modus operandi of these individuals; how they play with the emotions of a lay Sikh and try to cash on that. From Kala Afghana to Ragi, the aim is to create confusion on the banee, bana and traditions of the Khalsa. They start by attacking the Dasam Banee, but end up questioning everything that has been part and parcel of the Khalsa institution.

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[raj_karega_khalsa]

Does anyone have any updates on the Ragi's peshi today?

[BhForce]

Direct link: http://patshahi10.org/audio/interviews/Bh%20Harbinder%20Singh%20Ji.mp3

Some notes on what the speaker said:

It should be noted that he (Joginder Singh Sahni) never calls Guru Nanak "Guru Nanak".

He says Guru Nanak never gave anyone a gaddi.

They don't have greater faith in Shabad Guru. THey don't believe in Guru Granth Sahib being prepared by Guru Arjan Dev ji, nor Akal Takhat by Pa: 6, nor Khande bate da amrit.

These articles aren't written on a one-off basis, but rather on planned basis.

Ragi is saying the "new ardas"

They say there is no such word as "Sant". Sant Anari.

They say they want to put the SRM into practice, but the SRM says you can't modify the first pauri of ardas.

He says there is no proof in history of which banis were read during the first amrit sanchar. That the current nitnem isn't same as Pa: 10 times.

So, was he defrauding the panth all this time? WHy didn't he do anything while being Jathedar?

3 things big in Sikhi: Ardas, Nitnem, Amrit. So he's targetting all 3.

They're saying there's no proof 10th Guru took amrit. Trying to destabilise the whole tradition by which people have given their heads to Sikhs. No such thing as Amritdhari.

Yes, Panth can modify small things. But not Amrit.

Sure, they could create a new faith, but not Sikhi.

Faith is the basis of every religion. We have faith in bani. If there is no faith, there is no religion.

They also say you can only do kirtan of Gurbani. There has always been kirtan of Dasam Bani in Harimander Sahib.

Ragi says "I didn't know anything before, now I do" when he's 70 years old. But bani says a 70-year old is senile. He should just sit at home.

In 1984 when the nation was bloodied, he was acting in the Nimmo film with Preeti Sapru and telling made-up stories regarding Hemkunt Sahib. He said Guru Teg Bahadur was doing tapasia there.

The Ragi says if someone is reading this Dasam Bani that his nose doesn't work. Yet he did kirtan of the same Dasam Bani. From Chandi Charitar, Zafarnama, Krishnavtar, Bachittar Natak. And the 268th Charittar. From Sarab Loh Granth. Apni Katha.

Amoung the Singhs, he use to say a piece of paper is useless without the stamp of the Government; so too, you need the stamp of the Guru.

On JusTV he said, that a piece of silver that has a stamp becomes currency. But without a stamp, the silver still has value. (I.e., being mona is OK.) Doing a U-Turn is very easy for him.

Now he's saying a new bad thing: He says one charittar is in relation to 10th Guru. That Guru Sahib went to some woman, etc. But there is no place in that charittar that mentions Guru Gobind Singh ji.

The phrase "Sikh-Sakha" also comes in Gurbani (Kabir Ji's sloke). It doesn't refer solely to the Sikhs of the Satguru. The charittar also talks about the woman's "Sikhs". Meaning her men, employees, etc.

He used to read lines of charittars ("Nij nari") and get money. Now he sees money in opposing it. But he was wrong then too because it was all about money.

He's saying some writings of Guru Gobind Singh's could be OK if we deem it in accordance with Gurmat. So that means the whole panth should just dance according to his whims. If he says such-and-such a bani isn't bani, then we are supposed to agree.

The method of destroying a kaum is to create panic, then confusion, then fighting.

These people have been around for a long time. They just write a book, say sorry, then write another book.

Now they're objecting to Bhai Gurdas Ji. The Kaaba turned around in Mecca. But the Ragi's fellows are saying kaaba didn't turn, Panja Sahib is fake, 5th Guru didn't sit on a hot iron plate, etc.

Now he's saying that Panthic matters should be discussed in open, not in closed doors. OK, so when he was Jathedar, why did he give such a strict punishment to Surjit Singh Barnala? Putting a board around his neck, tying him to columns, etc. In the Ragi's hukums he has said no roti-beti di sanjh until he (Barnala) asks for forgiveness. Why didn't Barnala have the option to discuss the matter in the open?

As big as someone thinks of himself, their consequences are also big for the Panth. You won't be saved.

Regarding Parkash: You can't put the Dasam Granth in your lap. Even the Suraj Prakash is parkashed when doing katha. No question that the Guru is Guru Granth Sahib.

But when we also give respect to other religions' granths, why not Dasam Granth? The nitnem banis are from Dasam Granth.

Recognise the people who will say anything for money. They are leeches and we need to remove them from our body.