Does Anybody Know What This Means ?

[ladli-fauj]

tin jaag jeonde ne daata ta te bhagat soorma

what are the 3 jaags ??

[vahegurujikifateh]

Daata - giver Bhagat - saint Soorma - soldier.

What Guru Sahib is saying is that if a man is not any of these 3 things then he is either a animal or coward. You will find that even bandits are brave and so are the saints. But the saints are going up the ladder to Sachkhand whilst bandits haven't found the ladder.

Sajjan Thug

Neither be a robber, nor be a cheat.

Be sincere to all, your dealings be neat.

Sajjan means a nice person, a friend, a helper. There was a man with this name living in Tulamba (now in Pakistan). He was known as a good man in his area. He had constructed an inn for travelers to rest for the night.

Whenever a traveler would forget anything in the inn, Sajjan kept it as his own. Slowly he developed the bad habit of stealing valuables of the travelers when they were sleeping at night. After some time, this bad habit made him a wicked man. He even killed people staying at his inn if he wanted to take away the travelers' belongings. The dead bodies were disposed of secretly by burying them in the compound at night. A "sajjan" because of his bad habits thus became a "thug." The people, therefore, called him "Sajjan Thug."

On one of their journeys Guru Nanak Dev and Bhai Mardana stayed with Sajjan Thug for the night. In the evening Guru Nanak Dev sang a shabad while Bhai Mardana played on the rebeck. The shabad explained that if a person is bad at heart, an outward show of good acts means nothing. God knows our mind and no one can bluff Him. The true friends (sajjan) are actually the good deeds of a man. These good deeds help the man not only here in this world but also after death in the next life. By evil acts man makes his own mind dirty, because of which he not only suffers here in this world, but also his soul remains dirty even after death.

Sajjan Thug had been listening to this shabad attentively. As the shabad went into his ears, his mind started "seeing" the truth. He realized he was an evil man. He was taking away the belongings of innocent travelers to whom he was supposed to provide comfort and service.

Sajjan Thug went to the Guru, folded his hands and confessed before the Guru that he was Sajjan only by name. Actually, by his deeds he was a Thug. Sajjan Thug sincerely repented and promised to lead a holy life in the future.

The Guru was pleased by the change of his heart and he was, therefore, very kind to Sajjan Thug. Sajjan was advised to distribute all the ill-got money to the needy and start his life afresh as an honest man. He sincerely practiced as the Guru advised him. He started helping the visitors and making their stay comfortable by whatever he could do for them.

Thus, a Sajjan by name, a thug by profession, became a Sajjan by his deeds as well, after meeting Guru Nanak.

Man is valued by the deeds he does. True friends are our good deeds. They remain with us even when our body dies.

[Guest shastr]

that means that those 3 kinds of people, live on in the jaag or jag (world) forever.

a daata, someone who donates and gives alot to others.

a bhagat, someone who does bhagati. ex: 15 bhagats whos bani is in guru granth sahib ji

a soorma, a warrior, someone who fights againts oppression, or fights for religion maybe or human rights, someone who gives their life for a noble cause.

in that saying, it doenst mean there are 3 jaags or something. its saying those 3 types of people live on forever. meaning they are always remembered.

there is also a pankti from tulsi ramain i think, and it has the same idea

"jananni jannai tan bhagat jan, kai daata, kai soor, nahi tan jananni baanj rahai, kahe gavavai noor"

meaning if a mother is to give birth, then let it be a bhagat, a daata, or a soorma. if not, then that mother should not give birth, why does she want to lose her beauty?"

[ladli-fauj]

Shastr when Sant Ranit Singh Ji Khalsa Dhadrianwale came to Stockton he talked about the birth thing, and thanks

[jaswinder singh]

Yes , I agree with shastr, There is another saying having same meaning

Janani Janah ta bhagat jan, key Data key soor,

nahi ta janani baanjh reh kahi gawaweh noor

meaning o mother , give birth to either a BHAGAT, or a bighearted

donor, or a braveheart,

otherwise it is not worth trying to procreate as it would be wastage of

all the pains & efforts associated with giving birth to offspring

thanks