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Is it not said by Guru Gobind Singh Ji that

kwl pwie bRhmw bpu Drw ] kwl pwie isvjU Avqrw ]

kwl pwie kr ibsnupRkwsw ] skl kwl kw kIAw qmwsw ]7]

kal paehbrhma bup dhra. kal paeh siv joo avtra. kal paeh kr bisnu prkasa skl kal ka kiatmasa. (7)

Time came when Brahma appeared in physical form, thenShiva was incarnated and then Visnu. It is all the Play of the Temporal Lord.(7)

jvn kwl jogI isv kIE ] bydrwj bRhmw jU QIE ]

jvn kwl sB loksvwrw ] nmskwr hY qwih hmwrw ]8]

jvan kaljogi siv kio baid raj brahma joo thio jvn kal sabh lok svara nmskar hai taehhmara. (8)

The Temporal Lord created Shiva, the Yogi; Brahma, theUtterer of Vedas. The Temporal Lord, Who fashioned the entire Universe, Isalute to Him alone. (8)

jvn kwl sB jgq bnwXO ] dyv dYq j`Cn aupjwXo ]

Awid AMiq eykYAvqwrw ] soeI gurU smiJXhu hmwrw ]9]

jvn kalsabh jagat bnaio dev daint jchchan oopjaio adi aunti aikai avtara soei gurusmjhiayho hmara (9)

He, Who is the Creator of Time and the Universe, alsocreated the angels, demons and yakshas. He alone was in the beginningand willalso be at the end of the Time. He alone is my Guru. (9)

Sangat Ji, truly Guru sahib was aware of these existence of such spirits in the universe, but does not worship them. Instead he very clearly insists that the only one who is worthy of all worship is Akaal Purakh Waheguru!!

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Is it not said by Guru Gobind Singh Ji that

kwl pwie bRhmw bpu Drw ] kwl pwie isvjU Avqrw ]

kwl pwie kr ibsnupRkwsw ] skl kwl kw kIAw qmwsw ]7]

kal paehbrhma bup dhra. kal paeh siv joo avtra. kal paeh kr bisnu prkasa skl kal ka kiatmasa. (7)

Time came when Brahma appeared in physical form, thenShiva was incarnated and then Visnu. It is all the Play of the Temporal Lord.(7)

jvn kwl jogI isv kIE ] bydrwj bRhmw jU QIE ]

jvn kwl sB loksvwrw ] nmskwr hY qwih hmwrw ]8]

jvan kaljogi siv kio baid raj brahma joo thio jvn kal sabh lok svara nmskar hai taehhmara. (8)

The Temporal Lord created Shiva, the Yogi; Brahma, theUtterer of Vedas. The Temporal Lord, Who fashioned the entire Universe, Isalute to Him alone. (8)

jvn kwl sB jgq bnwXO ] dyv dYq j`Cn aupjwXo ]

Awid AMiq eykYAvqwrw ] soeI gurU smiJXhu hmwrw ]9]

jvn kalsabh jagat bnaio dev daint jchchan oopjaio adi aunti aikai avtara soei gurusmjhiayho hmara (9)

He, Who is the Creator of Time and the Universe, alsocreated the angels, demons and yakshas. He alone was in the beginningand willalso be at the end of the Time. He alone is my Guru. (9)

Sangat Ji, truly Guru sahib was aware of these existence of such spirits in the universe, but does not worship them. Instead he very clearly insists that the only one who is worthy of all worship is Akaal Purakh Waheguru!!

this is what i agree with

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Alot of this chandi, devteh, durga in dasam granth/ sarbloh granth etc.. leaves alot of people baffled in my opinion. Hence why we have people thinking that these granths are not of the gurus. On the flip side the other pro side blame the others for not understanding.

I think what needs to be done is explanations of such concepts.

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Dhan Dhan Satguru Maharaj Guru Nanak Devji was not like these fake devi devte. If this picture of Nirankar Saroop Guru Nanak was painted in a Gurdwara/e then the painter was not true Sikh, he was a brahmin in disguise of Sikh. It was malicious acts of individuals with malicious intent which prompted great Sikhs of Guru to come together and start Singh Sabha. I myself have not seen any such picture in any Gurdwara and rest assured if i did i will remove it immediatly whatever the consequence. Guru Nanak was not worshipper of Ik Onkaar, He gave the world the truth about Ik Onkaar, Ik Onkaar is in this world of Guru Nanak. Sikhs of Guru believe only in Guru and the unseen, unborn Nirankaar. These Devi Devte are for fateless wretched souls who will burn in hell forever while the Guru will guide and save his Sikh from jamdoots (including Devi or whatever). The Devi and other stuff is for lost souls who are not blessed by Guru, and Sikhs of Guru are not one of them.

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This passage of devi ustatt is a translation and does not represent Sikh Philosophy.

Have you read that passage in krishna avtar. If you had you would not have written the above.

This is ustat of akal purakh and not any eight armed devi of Hinduism.

Devi in Dasam Granth is parkirti. It is ignorance to interpret Dasam Granth with Hindu terminology.

Dasam granth is not that simple granth where literal meanings are applicable. It is full of metaphors.

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The original poster had given the below mentioned passage from chandi charitra. He calls it devi ji ki ustat.

. He needs to read it carefully and not pick at random some verses.Here devi is reference to power of akal purakh.It is important to know what type of devi is described in that ustat.

Below is given those verses.It is Eulogy of God and not any devi of Hinduism or Durga.

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

दोहरा ॥

DOHRA

ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਸਿੰਧ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਜੋ ਕਛੁ ਮੋ ਪਰਿ ਹੋਇ ॥

क्रिपा सिंध तुमरी क्रिपा जो कछु मो परि होइ ॥

O Ocean of Mercy, if Thy Grace is bestowed upon me:

ਰਚੋ ਚੰਡਿਕਾ ਕੀ ਕਥਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਸੁਭ ਸਭ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

रचो चंडिका की कथा बाणी सुभ सभ होइ ॥२॥

I may compose the story of Chandika and my poetry be all good.2.

ਜੋਤ ਜਗਮਗੈ ਜਗਤਿ ਮੈ ਚੰਡ ਚਮੁੰਡ ਪ੍ਰਚੰਡ ॥

जोत जगमगै जगति मै चंड चमुंड प्रचंड ॥

Thy light is shining in the world, O Powerful Chand-Chamunda!

ਭੁਜ ਦੰਡਨ ਦੰਡਨਿ ਅਸੁਰ ਮੰਡਨ ਭੁਇ ਨਵ ਖੰਡ ॥੩॥

भुज दंडन दंडनि असुर मंडन भुइ नव खंड ॥३॥

Thou art the Punisher of the demons with Thy strong arms and art the Creator of the nine regions.3.

ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ ॥

स्वैया ॥

SWAYYA

ਤਾਰਨ ਲੋਕ ਉਧਾਰਨ ਭੂਮਹਿ ਦੈਤ ਸੰਘਾਰਨ ਚੰਡਿ ਤੁਹੀ ਹੈ ॥

तारन लोक उधारन भूमहि दैत संघारन चंडि तुही है ॥

It is you who is creator of chandi, who ferries across the people; Thou art the redeemer of the earth and destroyer of the demons.

ਕਾਰਨ ਈਸ ਕਲਾ ਕਮਲਾ ਹਰਿ ਅਦ੍ਰਸੁਤਾ ਜਹ ਦੇਖੇ ਉਹੀ ਹੈ ॥

कारन ईस कला कमला हरि अद्रसुता जह देखे उही है ॥

Thou art the cause of the Shakti of Shiva, Lakshmi of Vishnu and Parvati, the daughter of Himavan, wherever we see, Thou art there.

ਤਾਮਸਤਾ ਮਮਤਾ ਨਮਤਾ ਕਵਿਤਾ ਕਵਿ ਕੇ ਮਨ ਮਧਿ ਗੁਹੀ ਹੈ ॥

तामसता ममता नमता कविता कवि के मन मधि गुही है ॥

Thou art Tams, the quality of morbidity, mineness and modesty; Thou art poetry, latent in the mind of the poet.

ਕੀਨੋ ਹੈ ਕੰਚਨ ਲੋਹ ਜਗਤ੍ਰ ਮੈ ਪਾਰਸ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਜਾਇ ਛੁਹੀ ਹੈ ॥੪॥

कीनो है कंचन लोह जगत्र मै पारस मूरति जाइ छुही है ॥४॥

Thou art the philosopher`s stone in the world, which transforms the iron into gold that it touches.4.

Chandi charitra ukti bilas

Let us analyse what is written in Dasam Granth sahib and not follow blindly what is written on someone's blog.

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The original poster had given the below mentioned passage from chandi charitra. He calls it devi ji ki ustat.

That is sheer ignorance. He needs to read it carefully and not pick at random some verses.

Below is given those verses.It is Eulogy of God and not any devi of Hinduism or Durga.

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

दोहरा ॥

DOHRA

ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਸਿੰਧ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਜੋ ਕਛੁ ਮੋ ਪਰਿ ਹੋਇ ॥

क्रिपा सिंध तुमरी क्रिपा जो कछु मो परि होइ ॥

O Ocean of Mercy, if Thy Grace is bestowed upon me:

ਰਚੋ ਚੰਡਿਕਾ ਕੀ ਕਥਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਸੁਭ ਸਭ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

रचो चंडिका की कथा बाणी सुभ सभ होइ ॥२॥

I may compose the story of Chandika and my poetry be all good.2.

ਜੋਤ ਜਗਮਗੈ ਜਗਤਿ ਮੈ ਚੰਡ ਚਮੁੰਡ ਪ੍ਰਚੰਡ ॥

जोत जगमगै जगति मै चंड चमुंड प्रचंड ॥

Thy light is shining in the world, O Powerful Chand-Chamunda!

ਭੁਜ ਦੰਡਨ ਦੰਡਨਿ ਅਸੁਰ ਮੰਡਨ ਭੁਇ ਨਵ ਖੰਡ ॥੩॥

भुज दंडन दंडनि असुर मंडन भुइ नव खंड ॥३॥

Thou art the Punisher of the demons with Thy strong arms and art the Creator of the nine regions.3.

ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ ॥

स्वैया ॥

SWAYYA

ਤਾਰਨ ਲੋਕ ਉਧਾਰਨ ਭੂਮਹਿ ਦੈਤ ਸੰਘਾਰਨ ਚੰਡਿ ਤੁਹੀ ਹੈ ॥

तारन लोक उधारन भूमहि दैत संघारन चंडि तुही है ॥

It is you who is creator of chandi, who ferries across the people; Thou art the redeemer of the earth and destroyer of the demons.

ਕਾਰਨ ਈਸ ਕਲਾ ਕਮਲਾ ਹਰਿ ਅਦ੍ਰਸੁਤਾ ਜਹ ਦੇਖੇ ਉਹੀ ਹੈ ॥

कारन ईस कला कमला हरि अद्रसुता जह देखे उही है ॥

Thou art the cause of the Shakti of Shiva, Lakshmi of Vishnu and Parvati, the daughter of Himavan, wherever we see, Thou art there.

ਤਾਮਸਤਾ ਮਮਤਾ ਨਮਤਾ ਕਵਿਤਾ ਕਵਿ ਕੇ ਮਨ ਮਧਿ ਗੁਹੀ ਹੈ ॥

तामसता ममता नमता कविता कवि के मन मधि गुही है ॥

Thou art Tams, the quality of morbidity, mineness and modesty; Thou art poetry, latent in the mind of the poet.

ਕੀਨੋ ਹੈ ਕੰਚਨ ਲੋਹ ਜਗਤ੍ਰ ਮੈ ਪਾਰਸ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਜਾਇ ਛੁਹੀ ਹੈ ॥੪॥

कीनो है कंचन लोह जगत्र मै पारस मूरति जाइ छुही है ॥४॥

Thou art the philosopher`s stone in the world, which transforms the iron into gold that it touches.4.

Chandi charitra ukti bilas

Let us analyse what is written in Dasam Granth sahib and not follow blindly what is written on someone's blog.

Excuse me, but I did not just put the title "Devi Ju Ki Ustat", but Maharaj himself wrote it.

http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=645&english=t&id=89846

There is the link to the post that I put up, if you have an issue with Gurbani, talk to Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

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I dont doubt your intentions Bhai Jvala Singh Ji, but you have to realise that readers will surely get confused unless you explicitly make it clear to the reader what exactly Sri Guruji is referring to with the use of word 'devi'. A brief explanation along with the line by line translation would be helpful. just my advice.

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Veer jee, In Sri Dasam Granth Sahib, stories are REWRITTEN which means some parts of the story are just translated, some parts edited and some new parts added. This praise of devi is just the translation and these are not the views of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Jee.

We are still not able to comprehend inspite of analysis by PJS and then beautiful line given by gurvah.

PLease note devi meaning in dasam granth is not same as the meaning of Devi in hindu literature.

Devi of dasam granth is not eight armed deity of Hindu faith.So do not be misled by word devi in

Dasam Granth sahib. This is the mistake kala afghana sect also makes.

Devi of dasam granth is shakti of akal purakh which is ever present, has no beginning and has no end.

This shakti creates and subsumes these deities.

ਤਾਰਨ ਲੋਕ ਉਧਾਰਨ ਭੂਮਹਿ ਦੈਤ ਸੰਘਾਰਨ ਚੰਡਿ ਤੁਹੀ ਹੈ ॥

तारन लोक उधारन भूमहि दैत संघारन चंडि तुही है ॥

Thou art the chandi, the killer of demons; Thou art the redeemer of the earth.

ਕਾਰਨ ਈਸ ਕਲਾ ਕਮਲਾ ਹਰਿ ਅਦ੍ਰਸੁਤਾ ਜਹ ਦੇਖੇ ਉਹੀ ਹੈ ॥

कारन ईस कला कमला हरि अद्रसुता जह देखे उही है ॥

You are the primal power, you are the source of shiva's power, vishnu's, lakhshmi and parvati

Chandi charitra ukti bilas.

Obviously Guru sahib means akal purakh when he writes ab devi ji ki ustat.

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