Guru Granth Sahib "Guru" Or Not

[harryss]

I was reading some Namdhari material that Guru Gobind Singh Ji didn't give Gurgiddi to Guru Granth Sahib.

Namdhari says that there is no Puratan Guru Granth Sahib that says on the cover Guru Granth it only says Adi Granth. This is one fact Namdharis are trying to write in that there guru was given giddi.

I want to know if that are any books puratan that says Guru Gobind Singh Ji give giddi to Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Fatah.

[mohinder pal]

Guru Granth Ji Maneo Pargat Guran Ki Deh.

But this is also true,

Chauda Jame Satguru,Sattar Bhagta Dhaar,Chaurasi Jaame Pehr Ke Kalyug Karoon Udhaar

This is a Fact that Actual Knowledge of SGGSJi is only known and Spreaded by Sant Mat. SANT MAT or SANT KHALSA is the nothing but actual Gursikhi. Akal Purakh always take Deh Saroop to SPread the Knowledge which is their in SGGSJI. That Deh Saroop could be in Form of SATGURU,SANT,Brhamgyanis,Puran GUrsikh,Bhagat.

Just Imagine the Life of SIKH COMMUNITY today without the actual knowledge of SGGSJI to anyone, We would have been fighting amongourselves to prove ourself right. that is why Sant,Mahaprush always reamin on Earth to Spread the Actual message of SIkhi to Whole World.

[mohinder pal]

This is also Evident that

Even though there was a Parkaash of Guru Granth Sahib ji in Shri Harimandir Sahib by Guru Arjun Dev ji, Guru Arjun Dev ji Remained Satguru even though SGGSJi was Shabad Sarrop Guru.

Source Doesnot change even if the Form changes.

[MansWisdom]

I agree with mohinder pal, what he is saying is true that the gian that is obtained in SGGS is also present in sants/brahmgianis. Without them and their understanding their will be loads of rifts in the panth.

Also sangat jeeo make the most of this gian to remember waheguru as who knows how long this gian will be present in sargun form... As ninrankar has made this gian gupt in the past and will surely make it gupt again in the future as has been observed in the past numerous of times...

[ms514]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

"Akal Purakh always take Deh Saroop..."

Allow me to throw a wrench and run - I am sure someone else will get into that whole debate with you for me:

AJOONI

<runs away>

[SunSingh]

Bhai Ram Singh was a great Gursikh who opposed British. While he was in jail brits spread propaganda that Ram Singh had received guruship. It is from him that cults claim to be descended. Bhai Ram Singh, however, wrote letters insisting that he is not the Guru.

Guruship was given to Guru Granth SAhib ji. Actually, since the time pothi sahib was first compiled, Guru Arjan Dev ji always slept on a lower level, did chaur sahib seva etc, basically treated the Pothi Sahib with utmost respect as shown to the Guru.

[Singhstah]

its actually in Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Sri Sarbloh Granth

"In Ko Daras Satguru Ko darshan bolan Guru Shabad Gur Grantha.

Dvadas Roop Satigur Eh Kaiyat Dvadas Bhan Pargat Har Santha.

Partakya Kala Parbraham Dhanee Shai Granth Panth Khalsa Vartanta.

Das Gobind Fateh Satgur Ki Khalsa Granth Gur Roop Bidanta"

"Having the blessed audience (of the Khalsa) is equal to having the audience of the Guru, as long as they are singing the songs of love held within Guru Granth Sahib.

There are twelve forms of the Guru this is what I (Guru Gobind Singh) tell you,

There are twelve forms who revealed themselves I tell you Oh Saints.

This is the blatant arrow of power dispensed by the ultimate Creator,

Deal with the Guru Granth Guru Panth as the Khalsa.

The slave of the Deathless Being, Guru Gobind Singh, (does not recognise this victory as his), the victory is of supreme true Guru, the Khalsa and the Granth, these are very form and presence of the Guru."

[MokhamSingh]

Gurbani of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharajh gives Mann di shanti (Peace of mind). It gives kalyaan (liberation of the soul).

If any dehdari guru can give this then I shall gladly leave Gursikhi & become their sikh , but in the meantime I have searched but am unable to find someone who can offer anything better than SGGS JI Maharajh.

[mohinder pal]

1. Piche Lagho Har Fire....Kehat Kabir Kabir.

2. HarJan Doi Ek Hai...Bib Bichar Kach Nahe.

If Sea Merges in Ocean....WHat u call it.....Sea or Ocean. If One merges with Akal Jot/Satguru Jot....You would call him Dehdhari Pakhand or Akal Roop

As mentioned in previous Posts. Real Nishaani of Puran Sant is Whenver you sit in his Sangat.. you will feel Mann di shanti or Mind Concentration or you feel like to recite Naam.

[mohinder pal]

Satguru Ram singh ji never claimed himself GURU/SatGURU bcz He followed what Guru Gobind singh ji told...Guru Granth ji Maneo Pargat Guruan ke Deh.

If the Naamdhari Followers are claiming He is Satguru...Let it be that way...thats there Sharda...Faith..Vishwaas.YOU BETTER KEEP YOUR FAITH ON SGGSJI. Naamdharis have contributed so much for the SIkh Panth in terms of Rehat Maryada, Shaheediyan...SPread of Sikh Faith. Also be Aware of the Fact the Original Rehat Maryada written by Guru Gobind singh ji at Nanded was Brought to Punjab by Satguru/Sant/GuruSikh Raam Singh ji to Spread the Rehat..SIkhi in Punjab bcz after Guru Gobind singh went to Sachkhand...Condition in Punjab Detoriarted when Whole Sikh Missles were divided and were fighting between themselves.