Is Sikhi A Missionary Religion

[kds1980]

Auarngzeb may not be following what is written in their scriptures. He was forcing Islam on others.If they did not accept

it, they were killed.Is it written in their scripture? Most probably not.

He may be good for fanatics but he was not committing good deeds. We cann't call him a good muslim.

So the quote given above is relevant.

I am sorry to say but you need to study islam. What Aurangzeb did was according to islamic scriptures

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

From the Hadith:

Muslim (19:4294) - There are many places in the hadith where Muhammad tells his followers to demand the jizya of non-believers. Here he lays down the rule that it is to be extorted by force: "If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them"

Bukhari (53:386) - The command for Muslims to spread Islamic rule by force, subjugating others until they either convert to Islam or pay money, is eternal: Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master." This is being recounted during the reign of Umar, Muhammad's companion and the second caliph who sent conquering armies into non-Muslim Persian and Christian lands (after Muhammad's death).

Ishaq 956 & 962 - "He who withholds the Jizya is an enemy of Allah and His apostle." The words of Muhammad.

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So Aurangzeb in his true sense tried to follow islam.If you are not convinced then you can go to any muslim or Pakistani forum.You will find majority of them consider him as their hero.

[Balbir Singh]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all and Bijla Singh Jee!

Your posts on this topic are full of controversies.

I wish to elaborate some points raised in your last post.

You wrote "you have not provided a single shred of evidence from Gurbani, Vaars and Kabits to back up your claims."

A true Sikh receives the Gur of the Sabad from his reverend Gurus, not from others or others' poetry.

Quote "Your statement that Guru Sahib never “asked” anyone to change religion is seriously an insulting comment towards the Gurus."

Please provide a reference if you think Guru Sahib asked people to change religion. I will be grateful.

Also, please do not feel insulted if you cannot provide a reference.

Quote "Verb 'ask' means to make a request. Certainly, Guru Sahib never requested anyone to become a Sikh."

Guru Sahib did not force either. It was the Naam Simran that brought the revolutionary change in their consciousness.

Quote "Rather he preached Gurmat which inspired people to adopt Gurmat."

Gurmat is the Gur of the Sabad. Gurmat is not preached. Gurmat is transferred as Prasaad.

Do you know a preacher who knows the Gur of the Sabad?

Quote "People didn’t just wake up one morning and decided to become Sikhs 'on their own'."

Right. They received the learning of the Gur experiencing a revolution and realized they got the true learning (Sikh). The word Sikh in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee refers only this learning, not a human being.

Quote "It was the result of missionary work carried out by the Gurus and the Sikhs."

God distributes Prasaad of Gur through the reverend Gurus. The missionary work through preachers is a business (dhandhaa).

Quote "Word 'missionary' is used for a person who undertakes a mission especially a religious mission."

Those are all worldly rituals, repetitions and boring.

Quote "Guru Nanak Sahib in his own hymns states that he was given the divine mission to preach."

Please correct it. Replace the word 'preach' with Naam Simran.

Quote "Bhai Gurdas Ji narrates the same incident."

These may be your views. Even Bhai Gurdaas Jee did not say it is the same incident.

Quote "Nowhere in Gurbani is it stated that a person should follow their respective religion strictly."

Do you want to say that also Sikhs should not follow their respective religion strictly?

Quote "In fact, the word Hindu is not even redefined in Gurbani whereas words Pandit, Brahmin, Muslim, Sheikh, Yogi, Sanyasi, Mullah, Qazi etc are defined according to Gurmat."

These are human beings who may go wrong. They need to learn the Gur of Naam. They do not need to learn to change their religion.

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I feel this post is getting long.

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Please ponder. Guru Naanak Dev Jee is singing.

ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਰਬੁ ਨ ਮੇਟਿਆ ਜਾਇ ॥

बिनु गुर गरबु न मेटिआ जाइ ॥

Without Gur pride is not eradicated.

ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਧਰਮੁ ਧੀਰਜੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਇ ॥

गुरमति धरमु धीरजु हरि नाइ ॥

Through Gurmat is Dharam, Composure, Hari Naam.

ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਇ ॥੧੨॥੯॥

नानक नामु मिलै गुण गाइ ॥१२॥९॥

Naanak, Naam is received. Virtues are sung. SGGS Ang 225

Please come to know true Naam Simran. You may never try to convert someone. Still, life becomes all precious without wanting it.

Balbir Singh

[GPS]

Such quotes may have limitation as we are quoting these without knowing the context of use.

I may be wrong but i believe no religious scripture preaches to convert people of other faith

by sword.

I may counter quote with following that i read on the net

Let there be no compulsion (or coercion) in religion (Islam). The right direction is distinctly clear from error (Quran, 2:256).

We know very little about scriptures of others and should refrain from quoting second hand quotes.

So Aurangzeb in his true sense tried to follow islam.If you are not convinced then you can go to any muslim or Pakistani forum.You will find majority of them consider him as their hero.

He may be hero for fanatics. fantasism does no good to any religion.But the topic is " Is sikhism a missionary religion".

[kds1980]

Such quotes may have limitation as we are quoting these without knowing the context of use.

I may be wrong but i believe no religious scripture preaches to convert people of other faith

by sword.

But the topic is " Is sikhism a missionary religion". Let us restrict.

All Religions spread through missionary work.Only the way of missionary work is different .Some used force,rewards,punishments etc some just spread the words of their founders and allowed people to join them if they wish to.Sikhism is one of them.

You are saying that if a person is hindu then he should follow hinduism to the core so the first sikhs who abandoned hinduism and joined sikhism were wrong as they abandoned Hinduism and few abandoned islam so they were wrong too?

[GPS]

All Religions spread through missionary work.Only the way of missionary work is different .Some used force,rewards,punishments etc some just spread the words of their founders and allowed people to join them if they wish to.Sikhism is one of them.

You are saying that if a person is hindu then he should follow hinduism to the core so the first sikhs who abandoned hinduism and joined sikhism were wrong as they abandoned Hinduism and few abandoned islam so they were wrong too?

I am not saying that. I am saying that Guru sahib did not say that their path was superior and hence people of other

faiths should renounce their religion and join them. Guru sahib condemned wrong practices that had crept in religion with time.

Many such practices have crept in sikhism also.That does not mean sikhism is wrong.We do not a get a certificate to salvation

by calling ourselves as sikhs.We need to to live it practically in our day today lives.

ਜਿਨਿ ਆਤਮ ਤਤੁ ਨ ਚੀਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿਆ ॥

जिनि आतम ततु न चीन्हिआ ॥

Jin āṯam ṯaṯ na cẖīnĥi▫ā.

Whoever does not realize the essence of the soul -

ਸਭ ਫੋਕਟ ਧਰਮ ਅਬੀਨਿਆ ॥

सभ फोकट धरम अबीनिआ ॥

Sabẖ fokat ḏẖaram abīni▫ā.

all his religious actions are hollow and false.

Ang 1351

Please read my posts before writing.

This is what i wrote in my post no. 22

http://www.sikhsanga...on/page__st__20

Guru sahib did not ask anyone to leave their religion of birth and join his

path. People came on their own.

[Balbir Singh]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all and kds1980 Jee!

Worldly religions are formed and followed on worldly understanding of duality. So is this with Muslim religion also, in my view.

In the original Godly message through Muhammad Sahib, Musalmaan is one who is completely awaken in consciousness. He is pure (khaalis) and Pooran.

One should learn the wisdom (Gur) to win and awaken the sleeping mind that is Kaafir.

I cannot imagine that consciousness gets awakened by killing other human beings. Also, interpretations and translations of The Koran may be different as I have understood it.

Balbir Singh

[Only five]

Those that say following the Koran or Vedas, which a Muslim and Hindu must do, is not a wrong act are saying the Koran and Vedas are the Shabad Guru. No where in Gurbani does it say to follow the Koran or the Vedas or Bible. It say to follow the Shabad Guru ONLY.

If the Koran and rest of the religious text teach the Shabad Guru as some people are implying here, but don't want to come out and say it, then what was the need to write down the Shabad Guru and then place it on a Palki and bow down to it(Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj)? We already had the Shabad Guru according to some here, it is in the Koran. So why didn't Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji pick up the Koran and teach the true intrepretation of the Koran. Why didn't Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji pick up the Bible and teach the true intrepretation of it? He would have bowed at the Mosque and told them to get rid of the rituals. Shabad Guru is here in the written form(Koran, Biblie), so infact Gurbani becomes (forgive me for saying this) useless, as the Koran is a true path to Sri Waheguru ji, along with Vedas, Bible, etc, etc.

Another problem that arise here is if Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is telling Muslims, Hindus, Christians, etc, etc, to get rid of the rituals then you guys are fine and following the Koran is no problem. Then why did Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji only give Guruship to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji? He should have gave the Guruship to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, Koran, Vedas, and Bible collectively and equally. After all the Gurus were about breaking divisions amongst people and creating equality. Creating a different religions that is doing the same as Islam or Hinduism is only creating more divisions among people that all come from the same, Sri Waheguru ji. Lastly it would not be wrong if one day in the Gurdwara the Granthi replaced Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji with the Koran and the whole sangat bowed down to the Koran.

If you are not willing to bow your head(submit yourself) then what makes you think that it is the TRUTH?

[GPS]

For sikhs SGGS ji is jyot of our Guru sahiban. Our gurus asked us to follow shabad Guru.

Jus like that Hindus have their granths to start with Vedas and then supplemented by Puranas

and smrities etc.

Muslims have their own written scripture Quran and oral tarditions.

Nowhere it has been stated that quran and Hindu scriptures are shabad Guru.

Even these faiths may not have concept of shabad Guru at all.

All is being said here is that we do not look down upon teachings of otehr religions

and tell them that their path is inferior hence join us.That does not imply that we

start following those.

See the heading of topic. It is about religious conversions whether done by persuasion,

enticement, force or allurments. Conversion is not healthy as it causes upheavals in society.

Did our Gurus ask people of otehr faiths to leave their religion

and join theirs? If so let us know in light of Gurbani.

If someone joins some religion on one's own that is not conversion.That is embracing a religion

of one's choice.

[Only five]

For sikhs SGGS ji is jyot of our Guru sahiban. Our gurus asked us to follow shabad Guru.

Jus like that Hindus have their granths to start with Vedas and then supplemented by Puranas

and smrities etc.

Muslims have their own written scripture Quran and oral tarditions.

Nowhere it has been stated that quran and Hindu scriptures are shabad Guru.

Even these faiths may not have concept of shabad Guru at all.

GPS, you have divided Truth up into three different ones, when Gurbani tells us there is only one Truth(it never changes), which the Shabad Guru teaches us. The only way the Vedas can be true is if they are the Shabad Guru, same goes with every other religious text because Gurbani pounds into us, ONLY follow the Shabad Guru. By saying Muslms can reach Sri Waheguru ji as in following the Koran, you or anyone are for a fact saying the Koran is the Shabad Guru. If Koran was true, then it would teach Gurbani, same goes with the rest of the religious text. But the fact is that it does not teach Gurbani.

All is being said here is that we do not look down upon teachings of otehr religions

and tell them that their path is inferior hence join us.That does not imply that we

start following those.

Tell me how does a true Hindu, not the one that worships an idol, because you're saying these are the rituals that are not a part of the True Hinduism, worship Sri Waheguru ji. Then also tell me how does a True Muslim worship Sri Waheguru ji? And this question is open to anyone else(Balbir Singh) that is adovacating that Koran is true and pure.

See the heading of topic. It is about religious conversions whether done by persuasion,

enticement, force or allurments. Conversion is not healthy as it causes upheavals in society.

Did our Gurus ask people of otehr faiths to leave their religion

and join theirs? If so let us know in light of Gurbani.

If someone joins some religion on one's own that is not conversion.That is embracing a religion

of one's choice.

I agree with you as there is no such thing as conversion, because its only other religious peoples attachment to their way of life (what they call Islam or Hinduism, or Christiainity) that does not let them see Dharma(Gurmat). It's not about mine is better than yours, its about following Dharma and not having a phobia to the fact that Sikhi only one that teaches Dharma(Gurmat).

Just becauae a religious text has some good things in it to teach people, it does not automatically make it into a path to Sri Waheguru ji.

[Bijla Singh]

The Shabad you posed has already been discussed. I provided the link for you. Anyways, here is the veechar on the Shabad.

ਮੁਸਲਮਾਣੁ ਕਹਾਵਣੁ ਮੁਸਕਲੁ ਜਾ ਹੋਇ ਤਾ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਣੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ॥

musalamaan kehaavan musakal jaa hoe thaa musalamaan kehaavai ||

It is difficult to be called a Muslim; if one can become a true Muslim (by surrendering completely to the Will of Waheguru), only then he may be called one.

ਅਵਲਿ ਅਉਲਿ ਦੀਨੁ ਕਰਿ ਮਿਠਾ ਮਸਕਲ ਮਾਨਾ ਮਾਲੁ ਮੁਸਾਵੈ ॥

aval aoul dheen kar mit(h)aa masakal maanaa maal musaavai ||

First requirement to become a true Muslim is to love the Dharama (religion) i.e. truth. Then cleanse the mind by sharing the wealth with poor and needy. This way false pride of possessions of worldly wealth goes away.

In this line words "Prophet" or "Mohammad" do not appear. Word “dheen” does not refer to Islam anywhere in Gurbani. It has been used for different meanings but in this context it refers to religion (faith) or truth. The same word has been used at other places in Gurbani. Here are some examples:

ਸੂਰਾ ਸੋ ਪਹਿਚਾਨੀਐ ਜੁ ਲਰੈ ਦੀਨ ਕੇ ਹੇਤ ॥

sooraa so pehichaaneeai j larai dheen kae haeth ||

He alone is known as a spiritual hero, who fights in defense of religion. (Ang 1105)

ਕਬੀਰ ਦੀਨੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ ਦੁਨੀ ਸਿਉ ਦੁਨੀ ਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਸਾਥਿ ॥

kabeer dheen gavaaeiaa dhunee sio dhunee n chaalee saathh ||

Kabeer, the mortal loses his faith, for the sake of the world, but the world shall not go along with him in the end. (Ang 1365)

ਦੀਨੁ ਬਿਸਾਰਿਓ ਰੇ ਦਿਵਾਨੇ ਦੀਨੁ ਬਿਸਾਰਿਓ ਰੇ ॥

dheen bisaariou rae dhivaanae dheen bisaariou rae ||

You have forgotten the true religion (way of life), O madman; you have forgotten the true religion (way of life). (Ang 1105)

Once again, word “dheen” is not used in Gurbani to refer to Islam. Continuing with the Shabad:

ਹੋਇ ਮੁਸਲਿਮੁ ਦੀਨ ਮੁਹਾਣੈ ਮਰਣ ਜੀਵਣ ਕਾ ਭਰਮੁ ਚੁਕਾਵੈ ॥

hoe musalim dheen muhaanai maran jeevan kaa bharam chukaavai ||

Become a true Muslim by following the guidance of truth only. Only then one can be free from the delusion of life and death.

ਰਬ ਕੀ ਰਜਾਇ ਮੰਨੇ ਸਿਰ ਉਪਰਿ ਕਰਤਾ ਮੰਨੇ ਆਪੁ ਗਵਾਵੈ ॥

rab kee rajaae ma(n)nae sir oupar karathaa ma(n)nae aap gavaavai ||

Submit yourself to God's Will, and recognize that He is the doer of everything. By doing this, selfishness and conceit will go away.

ਤਉ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਰਬ ਜੀਆ ਮਿਹਰੰਮਤਿ ਹੋਇ ਤ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਣੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ॥1॥

tho naanak sarab jeeaa mihara(n)math hoe th musalamaan kehaavai ||1||

And finally when, O Nanak, one is merciful to all beings and loves everyone equally, only then he shall be called a Muslim. ||1||

Thus it is clear that the word "Muslim" is defined very differently by Guru Sahib and not the same way in Quran. Words like "Prophet" or "Mohammad" do not exist in the entire Shabad. Word “dheen” means truth. Being merciful to everyone (this rejects halal, jaziya etc), submitting to the Will of God and sharing the wealth (Vand Chakna) etc. is not part of Islam but Gurmat. Sikhs practice this lifestyle everyday. In Gurbani the message is for everyone. There are no selected passages for Hindu and Muslims. Although the Shabad addresses Muslims but the message preached is far from than that of Islam. The divine message applies to everyone equally.

Don’t rely on online English translation. The entire Shabad redefines a Muslim which is not the same as the one in Quran. Again, what is Islam without hajj, five prayers, rosary, fasting, halal, hijab etc.? These are the main pillars of Islam stated in Quran and rejected in Gurbani. Hence, Islam is rejected in Gurbani. Read Quran first. I have a hard copy along with commentaries. You should find the definition of a Muslim from Quran and then present Shabads from Gurbani to show if they match. Do the same for Hinduism. Here is the link for you to study how Hinduism is completely rejected in Gurmat. http://searchsikhism.com/hinduism.html

Sikhism is one of paths to realization of God and simpler one. Guru sahib never claimed sikhism as being the only religion that can lead to God and other religions cann't.To say so is ignorance fo sikh teachings.

Present Shabad from Gurbani which states that all paths lead to God or Islam and Hinduism both lead to God. There is none. Shabad you posted above does not tell Muslims to follow Mohammad, Quran or Hadiths. See discussion above. Bhai Gurdas Ji states that other religions had darkness of ignorance and fogged the truth which was dispelled by Guru Nanak Sahib (see Vaar 1). This is calling other religions false. Dasam Granth rejects avtarhood, idol worship, caste system etc. This is calling other religions false. Is Gurmat really the simpler path? No.

ਖੰਨਿਅਹੁ ਤਿਖੀ ਵਾਲਹੁ ਨਿਕੀ ਏਤੁ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਜਾਣਾ ॥

Here are some quotes for you to contemplate:

ਭਾਈ ਰੇ ਰਾਮੁ ਕਹਹੁ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ॥

Who is a Pandit?

ਸੋ ਪੰਡਿਤੁ ਜੋ ਮਨੁ ਪਰਬੋਧੈ ॥ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਆਤਮ ਮਹਿ ਸੋਧੈ ॥

Who is a true yogi?

ਸੋ ਜੋਗੀ ਜੋ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਪਛਾਣੈ ॥ ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੀ ਏਕੋ ਜਾਣੈ ॥

AND

ਅੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਇਵ ਪਾਈਐ ॥1॥

ਗਲੀ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥ ਏਕ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਕਰਿ ਸਮਸਰਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੋਗੀ ਕਹੀਐ ਸੋਈ ॥1॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਮੜੀ ਮਸਾਣੀ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਤਾੜੀ ਲਾਈਐ ॥

ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਦੇਸਿ ਦਿਸੰਤਰਿ ਭਵਿਐ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਤੀਰਥਿ ਨਾਈਐ ॥

ਅੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਇਵ ਪਾਈਐ ॥2॥

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਭੇਟੈ ਤਾ ਸਹਸਾ ਤੂਟੈ ਧਾਵਤੁ ਵਰਜਿ ਰਹਾਈਐ ॥

Who is a qazi?

ਕਾਜੀ ਸੋ ਜੋ ਉਲਟੀ ਕਰੈ ॥ ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੀ ਜੀਵਤੁ ਮਰੈ ॥

Who is a Brahmin?

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣੁ ਜੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੈ ॥ ਆਪਿ ਤਰੈ ਸਗਲੇ ਕੁਲ ਤਾਰੈ ॥3॥

Note that Guru Sahib has used same responsibility for a Gursikh as well.

Who is a Muslim?

ਦਾਨਸਬੰਦੁ ਸੋਈ ਦਿਲਿ ਧੋਵੈ ॥ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਣੁ ਸੋਈ ਮਲੁ ਖੋਵੈ ॥

Above definitions are not found in Hindu or Muslim scriptures. These definitions are Gurmat proprietary.

All these Shabads give the same meanings. There are numerous Shabads in Gurbani that rejects other sects, paths and practices. Not a single one tells others to stick with their religions or practices. Guru Sahib rejected every single major/minor practice and ritual of Hinduism and Islam and provided his own viewpoint. He rejected all sects of yogis, sanyasis, jainis, Buddhists, vedantis etc. He held discourses with them and defeated them. Some tried to defeat Guru Sahib using super natural powers but they too were defeated. Study Gurbani and you will know. Or read Bhai Randhir Singh’s books. It is not possible to post all those Shabads.

Over a period of time because of dirty practices of middlemen Hindus had developed empty rituals. That does not mean that their original scriptures were bad.

Original scriptures of Hinduism preach idol worship, human and animal sacrifices, performing havans, practicing caste system etc. All are very well explained in Vedas, Puranas and Simartis. Here is what Vedas talk about:

Rig Veda - talks about worshipping three devtas Brahma, Vishnu and Shiv.

Saam Veda - talks about rituals like havans and shraadhs.

Yajur Veda - talks about sacrifices of animals and humans to gods.

Athrav Veda - talks about ghosts and spirits.

Puranas talk about avtars of Vishnu, Shiv etc. Mannu Simarti talks about caste system and demeans low caste people. All of this is rejected in Gurbani. Read Khadag Khalsa by Kartar Singh Dakha to read exact quotes from Vedas. I can provide some if you wish in a separate topic.

Here are some quotes from Gurbani that reject Hindu and Islamic scriptures.

ਪੰਡਿਤ ਮੈਲੁ ਨ ਚੁਕਈ ਜੇ ਵੇਦ ਪੜੈ ਜੁਗ ਚਾਰਿ ॥

ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਭਿ ਸਾਸਤ ਇਨ੍‍ ਪੜਿਆ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥

ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਇਫਤਰਾ ਭਾਈ ਦਿਲ ਕਾ ਫਿਕਰੁ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥

I will leave you to study Gurbani for more quotes.

Do not jump to non issues.We can discuss these in a separate thread. The fact is that Bhindrewale never claimed as you are telling us here that he converted 10,000 persons in one day.

Sant Ji says so in his speeches. He says he administered Amrit to 10,000 people in a day. Amrit is the only way to become a Sikh. A non-Punjabi takes Amrit and he is a convert but a Punjabi takes Amrit and he is not a convert. Why? Taking Amrit means going through transformation: socially, physically, morally, spiritually, ethically and politically. If this is not a conversion then what is?

Unlike you ,I am not a scholar of other religions.There are many other quotations from quran that i read on the net that says otherwise.you have to read the verses with proper context.

I do not claim to be a scholar of Islam. Provide any evidence that I have. If you have read quotes that say otherwise then clearly there are contradictory verses in Quran. Hence, not a revealed scripture.

Gurbani is for sikhs to follow. It is true path for sikhs.

Gurbani is for Sikhs only? Come on now. Be sensible here. You mean Gurbani only applies to Sikhs and its message is limited to Sikhs only? Was it not revealed for everyone as claimed by the Gurus and Bhai Gurdas Ji? Where were Sikhs when Guru Sahib initially started revealing Gurbani? Were Sajjan thug, Siddhas, Sanyasis, Yogis and Naths Sikhs when Bani was revealed? Saying “it is true path for Sikhs” means it is not true. In other words, according to you it is true because Sikhs believe so but actually Sikhs believe it because it is true. There is a huge difference there. When Guru Sahib says He is only speaking what God is commanding Him to, He means He is speaking the truth which is not subjective or a matter of opinion. Gurbani doesn’t give updesh to Sikhs only but to all. Truth never changes. Gurbani rejects caste system which is an important part of religious and social life in Hinduism. So if we go by your statement caste system is false for Sikhs but true for Hindus. Correct? Keep in mind caste system and caste duties are explained in Simartis and even Krishna advocated it in Geeta when he urged Arjun to raise arms against his own brothers. Here are some quotes from Gurbani about its universal truth and its message being for everyone:

ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਆਖੈ ਸਚੁ ਸੁਣਾਇਸੀ ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬੇਲਾ ॥2॥3॥5॥

ਹਉ ਆਪਹੁ ਬੋਲਿ ਨ ਜਾਣਦਾ ਮੈ ਕਹਿਆ ਸਭੁ ਹੁਕਮਾਉ ਜੀਉ ॥

ਖਤ੍ਰੀ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣ ਸੂਦ ਵੈਸ ਉਪਦੇਸੁ ਚਹੁ ਵਰਨਾ ਕਉ ਸਾਝਾ ॥

ਜੈਸੀ ਮੈ ਆਵੈ ਖਸਮ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਤੈਸੜਾ ਕਰੀ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਵੇ ਲਾਲੋ ॥

ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਗਾਵਹ ਭਾਈ ॥

ਨਿਤ ਉਠਿ ਗਾਵਹੁ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ॥ ਆਠ ਪਹਰ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਹੁ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ॥2॥

Instead of talking childish over minor issues, post shabad here from SGGS where converting others to sikhism is recommended by Guru sahib.

This alone tells me you have not studied Gurbani. Gurbani is not an instructional manual for Sikhs. It doesn’t tell Sikhs to do something to non-Sikhs. Its message is for everyone. It does not provide separate message for Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs. Gurbani clearly appeals everyone to meditate upon Naam and follow hukam of Satguru. If this is not a clear cut statement telling everyone to follow Gurmat then what is? In Gurbani, a Gurmukh is an ideal person and one of his responsibilities is to japp naam and have others japp it too (Aap Japay Avreh Naam Japaveh). This means a Gurmukh preaches Gurmat and tells others to follow it too. This is the responsibility of a Sikh. Hence, missionary work is required. Keep in mind, Sikhs don’t use the same methods as others.

Naam can only be obtained from Satguru. Who is Satguru besides Guru Nanak Sahib? Provide evidence from Gurbani and Vaars. Who is equal to Aad Guru Granth Sahib (Satguru) in this world that can give Naam? Gurbani says that who does not have gurmantra from Satguru lives a cursed and contaminated life. This applies to everyone including non-Amritdhari Punjabis.

ਗੁਰ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਹੀਣਸ੍ਹ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਧ੍ਰਿਗੰਤ ਜਨਮ ਭ੍ਰਸਟਣਹ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਇਹੈ ਜਨਾਈ ॥ ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਪਾਈਐ ਭਾਈ ॥4॥5॥7॥

Do not twist issues under discussion.Topic is " Is sikhism a missionary religion". In simple language it means Does sikhism promote converting people from other religions.

YES. Guru Sahib preached Gurmat and took world tours and converted many Hindus and Muslims. People didn’t just like the physical look of Guru Sahib and become Sikhs. They were inspired by the true teachings. Guru Sahib converted Rukandin, Behlol Dana, Sajjan thug, Kaoda cannibal, Shivnabh, Malik Bhago, Kalyug and many more. They were following either Islam or Hinduism. Once they realized the trueness of Gurmat they converted and Guru Sahib gave them Naam. In fact, most of these were appointed as heads of Dharamsaals to continue to preach Gurmat. This is how Gurmat missionary work is carried out. Establishing dharamsaals ensured the spread and growth of Gurmat. Gurmat missionary work does not rely on lies, deceits and bribery to convert people. Guru Sahib doesn’t need to write everything down for us. His udasis are clear enough for us to know. He himself organized missionary groups.

Missionary activities and methods of Gurmat are much different than Muslims and Christians. You do not seem to understand this. Why did Bhai Gurdas Ji go to UP, Bihar, Aagra etc? Just to tell people or actually spread Sikhi? Why did Guru Sahib organize the Udasi order and sent them to major Hindu centers? It was because he wanted them to preach Gurmat and bring people in fold of Gurmat so the humanity could be saved from five thieves and maya. When Bhai Dalla wanted only a small place for him to sit at the feet of Guru Sahib in Sachkhand, Guru Sahib told him that he would have to take Amrit for that. Gurbani lays stress on obtaining Naam and becoming guru-wala. Gurbani and Vaars only consider Guru Nanak Sahib as the Satguru. This is clearly advocating Gurmat not Islam or Hinduism. Gurbani was revealed to provide true path for humanity not to simply tell people to keep following their religions (without some practices) because Muslims and Hindus have preachers for that job. Otherwise this would reduce the status of Guru Sahib to a reformist and God doesn’t need to send His own roop for such a minor task. Gurmat is definitely a missionary religion. Missionary work is its backbone. All great Sikhs (Sant Attar Singh, Sant Kartar Singh, Baba Nand Singh, Bhai Randhir Singh, Bhai Veer Singh etc.) spent their entire lives to preach and spread Gurmat and converted thousands. We must follow their example. It is the duty of every Sikh to do this seva. I have written enough and readers can decide for themselves. Guru Rakha