Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Against Namdharis

[BenaresKaThug]

Sant Ji speaks against Namdharis that they aren't Sikhs and that Baba Ram Singh Ji did not find any sect with more gurus. 

Sant Ji says Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji met Baba ram singh ji and said he is a true gurmukh.

http://www.flixya.com/video/3746164/Sant_Jarnail_Singh_against_NamdhariSant_Jarnail_Si

[chatanga]

Sant Ji speaks against Namdharis that they aren't Sikhs and that Baba Ram Singh Ji did not find any sect with more gurus. 

Sant Ji says Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji met Baba ram singh ji and said he is a true gurmukh.

http://www.flixya.com/video/3746164/Sant_Jarnail_Singh_against_NamdhariSant_Jarnail_Si

Brother, Sant spoke out against the distortion of Gurbani by the Namdharis and Sirsa Wale. But he was not against Namdharis per se, as you will hear in his speeches the time of when he went to their dera in Hissar.

What year was Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji born? I think it was 1903, and Baba Ram Singh had passed away in 1887, so I think that Sant Jarnail Singh is mistaking Sant Gurbachan Singh with probably Sant Bishan Singh, who was more of that era.

But no one can deny that Ram Singh had excellent qualities that needed and still need to be brought back into Sikh Society, especially that of simplicity in living.

[BenaresKaThug]

Sant Ji clearly says that namdhars believe falsily because they believe in 15 gurus. How can we say namdharis are sikh when they corrupt bani and sant ji says they rip pages out of Guru Granth Sahib Ji to do path.

[mohinder pal]

Rakhi Baba/Sant/Satgur Raam SInghji ne... Nahi Taan Khalse di Reet Muk Jandi.

Please be proud and Appreciate the efforts of Naamdhari sect during that time(British Era) when they standed infront of the Tops and tanks to blow themselves.

Also Baba/Sant/Guru Raam singh ji was the first to bring the Original Rehat maryada from Sackahnd Shri Hazoor Sahib to spread the Khalsa Rehat/Maryada in Punjab when that time British was trying to Eliminate Sikhs Dharam/Religion by spreading christanity and distorting Gurbanis(Half Chaupai Sahib ....so on). Even though He believed in Non Violence ,still He was captured and prisoned in Rangoon.

LOOK AT SOMEONE BCZ OF HIS GOOD DEEDS INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT NEGATIVE SIDE.

We do somany misdeeds in our lives still Satguru Maharajji forgive us.

[Pyara]

Rakhi Baba/Sant/Satgur Raam SInghji ne... Nahi Taan Khalse di Reet Muk Jandi.

Please be proud and Appreciate the efforts of Naamdhari sect during that time(British Era) when they standed infront of the Tops and tanks to blow themselves.

Also Baba/Sant/Guru Raam singh ji was the first to bring the Original Rehat maryada from Sackahnd Shri Hazoor Sahib to spread the Khalsa Rehat/Maryada in Punjab when that time British was trying to Eliminate Sikhs Dharam/Religion by spreading christanity and distorting Gurbanis(Half Chaupai Sahib ....so on). Even though He believed in Non Violence ,still He was captured and prisoned in Rangoon.

LOOK AT SOMEONE BCZ OF HIS GOOD DEEDS INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT NEGATIVE SIDE.

We do somany misdeeds in our lives still Satguru Maharajji forgive us.

Baba Ram Singh did some great sewa for the Panth, but he was NOT a Satguru/Guru! Kindly stop using the title interchangeably with Sant or Baba, you're making a mockery of our pavitar Guru title.

[mohinder pal]

Santan Sang Kabeera Bigreyo.. So kabir Rame Hoye Nibreho.

[khalistan_zindabaad]

I have heard several katha by both sant gurbachan singh jee and sant jarnail singh jee that are against the current naamdhari sect - but both vadde mahapurkhs state and clearly state that bhai ram singh never considered himself guru and was a tyaar bar tyaar singh. THe cult formed after bhai ram singh jee passed away/murdered etc. Vadde mahapurkh refer to baba jagjit singh or the prior ones to them in the kathas. and in sukhmani sahib parchaar katha new one on gurmatveechar sant jarnail singh jee blatently cusses the current head of the cult

[Pyara]

Mohinder Pal Ji,

We know from the Bani of Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj that the definition of Khalsa is no different than the definition of a Sant.

A Sant of the Sikh Panth would keep the Rehit prescribed by Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj, would never allow himself to be called a Guru, and would never lead the Sikhs away from mainstream Sangat. The sangat of Guru Khalsa or such perfect Sants and submitting to the Panj Piyare is the foundation of Sikh Panth. Do not abuse the title of the Sant by even thinking that the likes of self proclaimed "Satguru" Hari, Partap or Jagjit Singh even deserve to be seen as Sants.

Please stop your persistent woolly justification of the current self proclaimed naamdhari "Guru" Jagjit Singh by tactfully playing down his claim to fame with the 'Santan Sang Kabira Bigreyoo So Kabir Rame Hoye Nibreyoo' tuk. I have observed how you subtly seem to enter naamdhari related discussions with this approach.

[whyhellothere]

Mohinder Pal Ji,

We know from the Bani of Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj that the definition of Khalsa is no different than the definition of a Sant.

A Sant of the Sikh Panth would keep the Rehit prescribed by Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj, would never allow himself to be called a Guru, and would never lead the Sikhs away from mainstream Sangat. The sangat of Guru Khalsa or such perfect Sants and submitting to the Panj Piyare is the foundation of Sikh Panth. Do not abuse the title of the Sant by even thinking that the likes of self proclaimed "Satguru" Hari, Partap or Jagjit Singh even deserve to be seen as Sants.

Please stop your persistent woolly justification of the current self proclaimed naamdhari "Guru" Jagjit Singh by tactfully playing down his claim to fame with the 'Santan Sang Kabira Bigreyoo So Kabir Rame Hoye Nibreyoo' tuk. I have observed how you subtly seem to enter naamdhari related discussions with this approach.

I hope you won't mind me asking you but are you aware of any true sants worldwide or just in the UK or India?

[mohinder pal]

Mohinder Pal Ji,

We know from the Bani of Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj that the definition of Khalsa is no different than the definition of a Sant.

A Sant of the Sikh Panth would keep the Rehit prescribed by Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj, would never allow himself to be called a Guru, and would never lead the Sikhs away from mainstream Sangat. The sangat of Guru Khalsa or such perfect Sants and submitting to the Panj Piyare is the foundation of Sikh Panth. Do not abuse the title of the Sant by even thinking that the likes of self proclaimed "Satguru" Hari, Partap or Jagjit Singh even deserve to be seen as Sants.

Please stop your persistent woolly justification of the current self proclaimed naamdhari "Guru" Jagjit Singh by tactfully playing down his claim to fame with the 'Santan Sang Kabira Bigreyoo So Kabir Rame Hoye Nibreyoo' tuk. I have observed how you subtly seem to enter naamdhari related discussions with this approach.

I wonder why SIKHS didnot allow Guru tegh Bahadur Sache Patshah in the Shri Harimandir Sahib.