Birmingham-Kaljug?

[Guest Tarrandeep Kaur]

I think its ridiculous that it has come to the stage of calling a town 'kaljug'. Fair enough you might have heard gossip about some bad things that have occurred, are you telling me these sort of things don't happen anywhere else?

The only reason 'birmingham sangat' gets pointed out a lot because the majority of the sangat is made up of youth; and yes as youth we all make mistakes and learn from them. You tell me who has never done something they later on regret in life? Why is it that as a community we always look at the negatives, we are always constantly bringing people down. We can never look at the positives; never comment how the youth in birmingham have arranged successful youth camps all on their own, that they've held charity events raising hundreds of pounds for the needy, that some blessed individuals hold amrit vela everyday without fail; encouraging more people to take the step foward into sikhi. Yes there are kirtan diwans held every week at many locations- i dont know where you guys have been but there is no talking or chilling of any kind. There might be a talk/presentation at the beginning- then kirtan. Instead of encouraging these efforts or giving them support guidance if you think they need it-we go around listening to gossip and slander and decide to call the whole town kaljug.

Lets look at ourselves before we judge others eh, because of this avgun- we are getting nowhere in our jeevans.

Sorry for any mistakes but its time we stop segregating ourselves from each and remember we are all one- we are all brothers and sisters and should act like a family- not splitting each other up due to the town they are from- its pathetic.

[Guest jasvir]

Birmingham is kaljug?? Wth oh yeah because no one in coventry or in london are dodgey.. Who ever made this get a grip and concentrate on your own jeevans bloody sados

[Singhstah]

Personally I have struggled with living in East London, I find the Sikhs 100% unsupportive, since living here for about 12 years and only EVER going out to Gurdwaras and no where else, and even after taking Amrit and being a practising Sikh, I still have no friends here. It is so sad that we cannot 'love' each other and constantly are suspicious, ever easy to gossip rather than support, it is so sad because I have seen so so so many people come to Gurdwaras in times of need and sadness only to leave, afarid of gossip. Why can't we pray for each other like do in churches and wish everyone happiness, instead of always being suspicous and indulging in gossip.

I would have sent a pm but not everyone reads them, so apologies for being off topic. However, as for East London sangat please do come to Friday Simran sessions at Singh Sabha Gurdwara Seven Kings (next to homebase), you can meet gursikhs here as well as get laha! They take place every week from 7:30pm-9:00pm. There is also a simran session at karamsar gurdwara sahib ilford every thursday 8:30pm to 9:15pm. Sangat is smaller in East London than other places but its still good! Last saturday of every month there is a keertan darbar at 7 kings singh sabha aswell.

<self edit> Please let me know if you want to know anything more about Sangat in East London.

Back to topic! As for Bham most of the sangat I have ever met from there seems to be really chardikala, I am envious of the amount of programmes that take place in Bham. As an outside observer it has seemed to be a live place for Sikhi and sangat.

I may be wrong but I'd say look at things in proportion. Percentage wise there is probably the same amount of 'dodgy stuff' that takes place in all sangats in all cities, its just that there is so very much more sangat in bham that obviously in proportion to the good stuff the bad stuff will be quite large compared to in other places so you notice it more, but really its probably the same ratio.

[VanHelsingh]

I'm surprised this thread is still open. It seemed like a tongue-in-cheek thread to me but its escalated to this! :lol:

Kaljug is everywhere. It just happens to focus itself on some areas more than others.

[Guest Hmmm]

I have personally seen a difference in way people from

Birmingham even talk and act differently , I don't know, they are ruder , etc use foul language! All the singhs and singhnia get a bit too close and that's where it comes from. Most the rumours from the uk sangat come from

Birmingham, like someone said previously , there are

certain groups/families who have messed alot of sangat around. I was once told by a bibi from the time she had facebook she was added and messaged from boys from

bham only and no one else . Doesn't this show? This needs to be addressed.

[Guest :/]

wild bunch bham lot are.

swearing, intimate talking, hardly no amritvela, rehat in youth there.

but changes are happening. simran and banee change one. so let's help each other.

birmingham is kalyug saying has been flying around for a few years now.

[Guest Bones]

The world is kalyug

Without doing naam

Everything is kalyig

[Guest waste]

You would think doing Simran and Gurbani would change a person but plenty of people who do Kirtan, Paath, attend Amritvela, etc still have messed around with the opposite sex, use foul language and so on. Without good qualities within of truthfulness, humility and love much of our Kamai goes to waste!