A Few Reasons For Khalistan

[DalbirSingh]

Thats all and well but Guru Gobind Singh Ji Mahajrah also stated without political power our deen can not survive and work. Guru Hargobind Ji also stated we need political power and physically fight those who persecute us. Now do we listen to babas, sants and politicians or do we listen to our religious spiritual superiors? Who fought and sacrificed the politicians and rulers of their time and created so much glory and security for the kaum

That is why Guru Hargobind Sahib set up the akal takht, in guru nanaks time people said ek baba and ek babur. We had a state in a state, religious matters are one thing as cross compared to political matters. Like what does the akal takht have to do with building roads in a country, if sikhi took over the world would we really ask the akal takht to build a road in another country political matters are separated.

Even in maharaja ranjit singhs time he bowed to akal takht and understood himself below the guru and authority of sikhi but the matters he had to deal with at many times such as disputes were difficult some matters regarding sikhi need to be addressed as akali phoola singh did.

Also by dashmesh pitas time we were no longer safe in the country we lived, guru ji had a lot of tolerance with the mughal state he helped bahadur shah zafar to the throne of India, guru ji asked that when the situation was destructive this rehat came around perhaps after chamkaur when everything looked doom and gloom when sikhi was near ends. We have rights in India at the moment however limited but we still need to find means to bring forth other rights as do even Hindus who need to fight for there own rights that other hindus have messed with.

As for babas the sat guru is there the guru granth sahib is there you don't need fake imposters who are preaching gurbani and twisting it. We need to have more respect for our hazoori raagis and singhs who preach sikhi properly. We can ban all the babas in our gurdwara abroad why don't we ban dhadrianwale ourself, we can go to gurdwaras and have all babas banned.

[singher23]

Beautiful post veerji. I agree, we definitely need Khalistan. And very religion has infighting and bickering, but look at the Jews and Israel. They were able to make it work, and now all of the middle east doesn't dare say anything to them (aside from Iran).

For this to work, however, we first need to get rid of Badal and all these current politicians, and put actual Sikhs in charge. How we do this...I have no idea. Second, we need to get allies, Pakistan, in my opinion, being an excellent one. They would love for India to be split apart, and in return, we could aid them with Kahsmir. China is also a good option. Third, we need to revive the militancy. India won't do anything unless they are scared. Mass protests and rebellions against police/army bases are needed.

The only way I see this happening, is if we get another Gursikh like Sant Bhindranwaleji. Without a sevadaar like him, who is leading an important institution, (Damdami Taksal, Akal Takht, etc.) I don't think none of this will happen. Another option would be to create a Militant political party, like the one Nelson Mandela was in charge of in SA, but I think that would be a little risky and would just create more infighting.

[DalbirSingh]

As for Pakistan with alliance you must be joking have you forget what pakistan did to sikhs in 1947 they raped millions of sikh women, killed sikhs, robbed sikhs, forced sikhs out of there home, the partition was worse then 1984 more people died as a result. As for an alliance try make one with China we probably have more in common as for not having too much problems with them so far. Israel has problems from palestine they really flopped how many people want to become jew? None. Jews have helped themselves grow global hatred from arab countries also israel has problems in the state towards christians quite a few christians hate jews as well, they have some alliances. Israel doesn't even make anything, the state kills palestian children they also recruit children into the army. I personally don't think sikhs should walk in there footsteps they lost to nazis big time, the rss might work in the footsteps of the nazis but some singhs have got some resistance developed against the RSS the jews couldn't fight back to the nazis.

As for militant group Taksal has developed that reputation already, not a good one it scares people out of Sikhi as well. Mandella was a clever man, if mandella was a sikh he would be prime minister of India right now. Bhindranwale is given credit a bit too much by some people, some try put him next to guru gobind singh- bhindranwale himself forbid that and even sikhs themselves don't do that, there are sewadars all over ask yourself what kind of sewa you do. Also we have loads of Sikhs adopting bhindranwale parchars methods my own opinon is they are not as effective as other parchar methods we can use which is working with the language, culture of the people to deliver the correct sikhi from our granths.

Kashmir is our own state which sikhs ruled it was a part of khalsa army that muslims want to take over since it has natural resources they illegally occupied Indias land, Pakistan has terrorism and no self respecting nation of the future would want relations with them even arab countries don't like pakistan even afghanistan doesn't like pakistan.

[DalbirSingh]

however still even if we want pakistan as our alliance they are by religion to be our enemy and the enemy of every non-muslim. Pakistan might be okay with china but they will declare war with china later on after america, uk and india is brought under them. Besides by marayada guru ji told us never to trust muslims. As for how we put Sikhs incharge it's not a matter of not having a clue you have to figure that out, from our liberal hippy definition of sikh, badal is a sikh and we have loads more people like him would take that seat as for a proper sikh they would never get the support of bjp, congress or hindus who can help them take over the party of punjab they control the seats. A proper Sikh would have been Simranjeet Singh Mann but in the votes for CM he lost he didn't even get a single vote people don't trust in him enough. However still if people did trust in him they would come to him regardless of a setup and listen to him, people don't even want to listen to honest people, people care for who is the loudest. We need to take our own homes back.

[Only five]

Haterz gunna hate....i know you think you can hold the Khalsa down...but we just rising....this cobra is waiting for its day......haven't you read Zafarnama......clean your nerdy glasses and read again.....Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj has already told us that without sovereignty (a nation) a religion doesn't survive........sorry mr. greedy....i only told you the half true.......this cobra is living the full truth of Raj Karega Khalsa.....keep cleaning your nerdy glasses you might just get to the full truth and stop your hatin

Let the haterz write all the post they want....they don't know how many coils the hood cobra has......

What, if you have killed my four sons, the hooded cobra still sits coiled up.78.

Dhan Dhan Dhan Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji Maharaj

[KARKOOSINGH23]

pakistan is not our friend . if they were our ally then right when harmander sahib got attacked they wouldve attacked the indian army right. that was such a good chance to for pakistan to attack. pakistan muslims want sikhs to finish because sikhs r the only ones that can stop them or they want to be allys with sikhs for there own reasons . if pakistan did help us it would probably want help back in return . we need some1 like Sant Jarnail Singh Ji back n badal out n revived militancy.

[DalbirSingh]

Haterz gunna hate....i know you think you can hold the Khalsa down...but we just rising....this cobra is waiting for its day......haven't you read Zafarnama......clean your nerdy glasses and read again.....Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj has already told us that without sovereignty (a nation) a religion doesn't survive........sorry mr. greedy....i only told you the half true.......this cobra is living the full truth of Raj Karega Khalsa.....keep cleaning your nerdy glasses you might just get to the full truth and stop your hatin

Let the haterz write all the post they want....they don't know how many coils the hood cobra has......

What, if you have killed my four sons, the hooded cobra still sits coiled up.78.

Dhan Dhan Dhan Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji Maharaj

Identify the passage and verse your pointing to here : http://www.zafarnama...d/zafarnama.pdf

As for that nerdy glass comment make that to gianis, and kirtanis make it to taksal as well many taksali gianis make several mistakes in there own katha, no one bothers to correct them. The scholar tradition is one embedded in sikhi the highest of our scholars was baba deep singh and banda singh bahadur even our dashmesh pita. The scholar tradition is past down from guru nanak dev ji. If you think low of being a scholar then you haven't even understood the meaning of "sikh"- learner. If you don't expect to read a few books then how do you expect to get a country and run it? By the way I don't hate, if you can prove the feasability and sustainability in creating khalistan I will support you. However I don't see how it would even be possible to even run, we are probably better of staying with india, however we need to make some things happen and that is all a part of the growth of India. Why not take all of India as khalistan? Why just punjab, India is there already- just you need to know how to become the political elite first.

Back then khalsa raj was formed by banda singh bahadur, if you want to make punjab more independent then how do you think it can be done so? How do you think a state can even be made? Do you think just doing a few jaikars will make khalistan appear? Do you think going to the UN will declare khalistan- many have taken under consideration and told Sikhs to forgive the situation and move on many don't see khalistan as practically possible.

Do you think taking it by force is possible? How can a few people take on the entire Indian army and police? How do you think we can take badal out of power? Also when that cobra shabad was used you have to under Guru Gobind Singh had an army of Sikhs who was as powerful if not more then that state of Indias, the mughal empire asked for help from guru ji and sikhs. It was said the Sikhs could hunt lions with there bare hands when the mughals soliders were afraid to. Sikhs had one of the worlds most superior forces in the world, even when outnumbered sikhs were more skilled hence why sikhs even had a raj.

Some of us might be brave, but without the skills of dharam yudh it's difficult. Singhs soormas fight with training even a few amry specialists with all the weapons in golden temple people struggle to keep the army out, they had airforce, navy, army, police with the latest technology. This issue of technology is why sikhs lost the anglo-sikh wars, even the most highly skilled warriors couldn't survive a bullet from a high-tech gun. Don't you think innocent people are bound to get killed in such an occurrence?

If you see some fights taking place sikhs don't fight like they used to in the past, sikhs couldn't even take on the taliban people ran from afghanistan, sikhs couldn't fight 1947 partition, in 1984 the rioters could have been taken out just people couldn't organise a real riot back, people got beaten up. In fear of people didn't avenge various situations like tytler and sajjan kumar walk around without a care when they come to gurdwaras sikhs give them saropas they are not even afraid.

[DalbirSingh]

If you really want to follow the Jews understand they flopped as a set of people they had it all, until the romans took them over used there own priests against them had jesus executed a reformist who tried to make a new religion, took his religion and used it against the Jews. Today the jews are a laughing stock in the world, everyone makes fun out of them. Just as we follow there example people make fun out of Sikhs today people don't take us or our values seriously.

Even with all the weapons they have in Israel loads of Islamic countries want to wipe them out the only people protecting them is America due to some jews living there and some pity for them otherwise it's grim they have no missionary work and everyone looks at them as an ethnicity. I see many Sikhs who don't want to be a religion any more but an ethnicity exclusively backed up with baba nands teachings of follow your own religion and we follow our own. It's worked out bad, many muslims are converting sikhs and hindus are converting sikhs in india. While other sikhs in america are becoming atheist. Khalistan won't change things just like Israel was moved with an athiest movement of zionism this new drive for khalistan is potentially looking to drive a religious state calling for even athiestic sikhs who hate hindus.

Sikhs living under mughal islamic rule created a religion and grew it under the worst circumstances possible. Guru Nanak himself said you mughals have an empire but even with the state religion you can't control what people believe in the state, hence contradicting muhammad and abrahams views, why are we following the false doctrine from abraham. Religion starts from bottom up not top down.

[singher23]

...pakistan didn't attack india when Harmandir Sahib was attacked because they had no reason to. I never said they were our "friend" I said it might be a good idea to think of an alliance. Pakistan would LOVE to see India be divided.

[DalbirSingh]

...pakistan didn't attack india when Harmandir Sahib was attacked because they had no reason to. I never said they were our "friend" I said it might be a good idea to think of an alliance. Pakistan would LOVE to see India be divided.

Pakistan played games in operation bluestar they helped with weapons into those forces who were going to fight back the attack and said if India attacked they would bring in the army of pakistan and help sikhs set up khalistan. They did nothing, they were only interested in taking kashmir under the pretext of khalistan or launching a war when india was not capable to fight back they didn't estimate how big the army actually was and they couldn't fight that army so they laughed as hindus killed sikhs and now they send drugs in to drug up the whole population of sikhs and to kill them as a means of revenge for destroying there mughal raj.

It's good for them to be friends but honestly they don't want to be friends with us they are interested in playing political games with any means necessary to kill, kidnap, loot, plunder, rape and convert. The biggest thing they are interested in is converting people.