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Maybe we should admit that in general Sikhs are NOT a particularly religious community then? From my experiences I'd say the majority of apnay are more concerned about their status and wealth than religious matters. Plus more often than not, those that do connect to the faith, seem to do so more on a political basis than spiritual.

If this IS the general trend (and maybe I'm wrong in this, please share your thoughts if you think so), then it explains why hardly any parents take teaching Sikhi to their kids with any seriousness/depth and what commonly goes on in a Gurdwara, where people are fulfilling their 'need to belong to a group' needs more than anything else?

Sikh Panjabi Parents will typically obsess about their kids getting degrees and thus filling their head with all kinds of academic stuff to improve their marriage/job prospects but, in relative terms, seem to be pretty apathetic when it comes to encouraging, supporting , facilitating the development of knowledge of their spiritual/Sikh dimensions. One a material level this is understandable because they are probably trying to be pragmatic and seeing it as 'this worldly knowledge has immediate and tangible benefits in terms of status, jobs etc whereas this other 'religious' stuff doesn't bring immediate benefits like this.'

On the other hand, I also feel that the dynamics between apnay are frequently dysfunctional to the extreme and often characterised by jealousy, judgmentalism, bitter competitiveness and even outright hatred (say between certain castes or political affiliates) rather than positive emotion. We rarely have a certain type of warmness between ourselves that I feel some other religious congregations do, like sullay or certain denominations of Christians. So we need change there too - brothers need to show love to each other without acting like homosexuals or disdainful, haughty judges towards those less disciplined than themselves. I guess what I'm trying to get at is, if we want to teach the youth we have to do it well, in an environment that suits them too, especially targeting those who aren't going to get the right sort of guidance at home for whatever reasons.

Just sharing some thoughts, please don't take it like I think I am flawless in all this, I have as much to be criticised about, as any one/thing i criticise - for the record.

No, Punjabis in general are not a religious community. our culture has messed us up to the max. our youth are so confused as to what is and isn't Sikhi. We MUST distinguish religion from culture and ensure our youth dont get stuck in this jaal. people doing toof bati etc to photos, jaat paat, if you sneeze you cant go out, black cat blah blah bullsh*t.

Sullay? I fail to see why you opted for that term over Musalmaan/Muslim. please have respect for others if we want them to reciprocate

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The line "Get the youth involved" is one I've seen thrown around a lot in discusssions such as these, but we again seem to be falling into the trap of thinking that the youth automatically have the answers. Youth does not necessarily equate to 'right'. I'm neither in the full bloom of youth or have fallen victim to the ravages of old age so maybe those of a similar age can appreciate where I'm coming from? If anything youth brings arrogance and impatience. Also, if the Sikh youth (even the Gursikhs) I've come across are any indication they are following the example of the elders that have come before them; the same elders that have led us into the mess we currently find ourselves in. It will take the correct brand of youth for change to occur and I don't think there's enough of them about to do that. No pessimism, simply an observation.

Correct brand? Tolerance; respect for Sikhs even those with whom you have a difference of opinion; a genuine character who behaves and adheres to Sikhi in private the same as when in the outside the world for everyone to see and admire, etc.

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bro chek dis video out, i think its a wicked idea, havin a random langar, where it teaches non-sikhs about wat langar is, this is literally takin r religion out for others. all the sevadaars r english speakin youth, leaflets n boards r all in english. look at how many non-sikhs r there, who have learnt bowt sikhi, u never kno wat this event may have done for some1s potential 2 become a better human, or even become a sikh, who knows. Sikh parchaar needs 2 revolutionise itself, these guys have done wicked with this.

UNITED SIKHS serving Langgar at the London Olympics as Bhai Fauja Singh Ji relays the torch.

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Could not expect a more intelligent answer from someone who who does not have an iota of intelligence

and sense of behaving in a civilized way on a forum. Lallu,perhaps you have lost count of how many times you

have been caught doing this here. And then pleaded and bleated your way back in.

Rarest of the rare specimen like you repeat the same mistakes again and again.

But to understand this, you need something in the upper storey, which you unfortunately lack.

So we all can do nothing but feel sorry for you.

BORING NXT....

funny how u never had any come backs 2 any of the stuff i wrote in my post, coz they r near enuff facts. LOL and who is this "we" in feelin sorry for me, its just u saddo.

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in contrast the majority of Pakistanis could speak either Urdu, Panjabi or even Farsi fluently

bro come off it, have u heard some of the paks tryna speak panjabi, mirpuri or urdu? its a joke, they r no where any better than us. Ask these muslims how 2 read/write in shahmukhi, urdu or pashto? they WILL ALL draw blanks, atleast some apnay have panjabi readin skills. Fair enuff they learn arabic 2 read koran, but how many can talk arabic tho? and actually understand wat is being said/read? This is y so many muslims dont really kno wat the truth behind some of wat the korans actually sayin, coz they r jus readin fake english translation, leavin out embarrasin/controversial stuff. Theres only 2 muslim communities who i rate, and r incerdibly jealous of, that is the pathans (very few in uk, but stil) and bangalis. Bangalis especially i rate highly, coz freshies or uk-born, they can converse ALLLLL day in bangla without puttin in english words, we shud copy der methods. i kno some bangalis who prioritise bangla before arabic! Pashto and bangalis r in my opinion ppl 2 b respected, in regards 2 their youth bein able in der languages. But regardin paks (urdu/panjabi/mirpuri), i have 2 disagree with u there, or maybe its coz we may live in diffrnt areas n experience diffrnt types. But i guarantee u dalsingh, u wont find uk born paks who can read/write in urdu/shahmukhi etc.

regards 2 our own problems, wen i originally sed, english in gurdwaras, i didnt therefore mean, no panjabi school or no panjabi on display etc. i mean wen it comes 2 serious parchaar on stage, english has 2 b spoken, coz otherwise, u c r coconut youth will NEVER wake up and realise wat religion they belong to. Look at our parents generation, in uk, they hav got SERIOUS questions 2 answer as 2 how they have failed in gurdwaras. I dont think some of the ppl on this site (not u) have realsied, how coconut-ish some of r youth r. der r some who cant even say hanji, n only can say sat sri akaal, and thats it! Also wat if nonsikhs come gurdwara, wat will they experience or learn wen they cant understand/speak panjabi, imo, englis his the only way now, coz the damage thats been done already, could become irreversible if the dumb committees dont act.

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and in turn forget Punjabi?

bro i never sed no panjabi or no panjabi school, far from it. But im jus sayin, u want kids 2 actually learn sumink frm goin gurdwara, n need 2 stop it jus becomin a ritual? then things have 2 b done in english, coz if der parent aint teachin em no panjabi or gurdwara/sikhi etiquette, then wat gud is it wen an old geezer speaks panjabi 2 em, n it may aswel have been german? jus look at the langar videos i provided, where blacks n whites came n learnt bowt sikhi, for the first time. if the leaflets/sevadaars/boardings were all in panjabi,wat wud they have learnt? Look at mosques, they will do everythin they can 2 accomodate ppl who r of diffrnt backgrounds n languages. They wil do parchaar in english, jus look at all the undercover mosque documentaries on bbc/channel 4! tho they preach hatred in those videos 2 their sangat, but u notice its all in english? they kno thats how 2 get the message across.

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