An Open Letter to Sikh Council UK... And to All Others Who Wish to Lead or Represent The Sikh Community

[chatanga]

. Your thinking is too old school dude - and not in the good way.

But so is yours, or the attitudes you are trying to defend. My generation know that Jatts have created divides in the Panth over caste, but lets say the tarkhans, have the attitude that there is a big bad jatt menace to everything any Sikh organistaion does? Thats just paranoia, and for the jatts part, they are beginning to put things right, for the tarkhans part, they should be saying lets not be so scared of those jatt boogeymen.

Jatts have to, and have began to lose their superiority complex, but the tarkhans have to start losing their victim status as well. With the comment on the 84 Gurdwara just being another gurdwara for jatts, i am amazed that we have people with such complexes.

[dalsingh101]

^^

From what I've seen tarkhans don't have any inferiority complex of juts, they just don't trust them. And seeing as you've been brave and honest enough to admit to prolonged jut nonsense going on in the panth, they appear to have good reason for this suspicion and cynicism by your own admissions. Juts are highly egocentric and easily manipulable along these lines as the Brits found out and used to full effect.

Plus you again completely ignore the main point about people not seeing things or wanting to prioritise things like juts might.

The most important point in all this (in my opinion) is that we have to address those who REALLY suffer the most from casteism within Sikhs, something juts are reluctant to do because they are the main (although not sole) culprits in this. This isn't about juts or tarkhans, because both of them are quite 'privileged' groups and none concedes to the superiority of the other.

What we need to do is address the people who REALLY suffer from the caste bull5hite we have going on in our panth - those who have been traditionally oppressed for centuries, before and after they have become Sikhs. Turning this into some competition between privileged groups is a joke - you need face up to the fact that so called dalits and lower castes are the real victims of this evil and address (and rectify) that inconvenient truth.

[chatanga]

From what I've seen tarkhans don't have any inferiority complex of juts, they just don't trust them.

great joke. from what ive seen tarkhans have a great inferiority complex of jatts, and its got nothing to do with trust. absolutely nothing. Tarkhans like to think of themselves as educated, cultured and progressive. This gives them a great feeling of being superior, which has derived their feeling insecure and inferior around jatts.

you need face up to the fact that so called dalits and lower castes are the real victims of this evil and address (and rectify) that inconvenient truth.

you are aware that even amongst the dalit classes there is oppression. take for instance the chamars, even though they are dalits, they have little or no social connections with choorre. They look at choorre as beneath them. if any group does get it in the neck, then it is the lowest caste of choorre. The fact is they get it from every other group, whether high or low, but the amazing thing is they have provided the sterling sewa to the Panth, and indeed gave a great number of soldiers to Dal panth.