connection between Jesus in the Bible and Guru Nanaak

[curioustoknow]

It's similar to Christians who say "Jesus is God" when in reality Jesus had said that he was the son of God.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji never said he was God, but what he was was the Avtaar of Akaal Purakh.

In Sikhi our ultimate goal is to become one with Waheguru - merge back into Waheguru after we die. Prior to the creation of the Universe there was nothing at all only the Hukam (infinite command) of Waheguru according to Guru Sahib. In this state prior to anything being created there was no concept of love, hate, bliss, pain, pleasure, live, death, no truth. The creation of the Universe created both falsehood and the truth. Prior to the creation of the Universe truth had no value and in order to put value on Truth you must experience false hood. Kalyug is the false age where many people are trapped in worldly illusion and forget spiritual meditation on Waheguru.

As for the contradictions, you can't base opinions of people to reflect Sikhi. Although it would be nice, people posting on this website aren't automatically class A Sikhs. Many amazing Sikhs prefer not to post here, but here and there you get a diamond in the rough. The mods and admins probably have a dilemma as to whether some posts should be allowed and whether some shouldn't.

Thank you, this was very informative

[chatanga]

Sikhi tells us that we are in essence "spirit" or Atma, that is part of the Great Spirit, Param Atma, and our goal in life is to expand our Atma to merge back with the Great Spirit. Then as Gurbani explains " God and his servant are both one. This doesnt mean that the man(atma) has become God, it means that man has realised God.

[chatanga]

God doesn't NEED anything from us, but he does want things from us, our else he wouldn't have created us

The world is a stage for drama, and this play (human life) is a divine play.

[TheFancyBanana]

respecting and loving someone/something doesn't mean you're worshipping it. we respect the gurus because of their teachings and way of life. the bowing of the head in the east (india) is a sign of respect, people used to bow to kings, so sikhs bow to the guru. also it is like saying my head is yours to the guru.

The most important aspect of being a Sikh, is to understand that, there is one endless God."He is indescribable, inestimable, indubitable, infallible, intangible, imperishable, immutable, immortal, immaculate, immanent, unconquerable, unique, formless, fearless, deathless, timeless, ageless, compassionate, omnipresent and creator of all. "There is only the One Supreme Lord; there is no other at all. Spirit, soul and body, all belong to Him; whatever pleases His Will, comes to pass" (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 45).

waheguru is in every single being, every atom, god is everywhere. even in us god resides, but it takes meditation and the guru to help us find the light. guru means from darkness to light. the gurus were chosen by the will of god to be the people who will take us from the dark. the gurus had realised god, and they were one. the light of god just shined brighter in guru nanak.

as humans we don't know why god chose to do any of this. "The created cannot have a measure of the Creator; what He wills, O Nanak, happens" (GG, 285).

i don't know much. if i'm wrong some one tell me!

[13Mirch]

Curioustoknow it is ur mindset that is making u fail, nothing else. Take it this way at first when man knew about the real nature of God there was no need for religion as it is today. It was something that developed and was at a standstill as there was no need for it. As time passed men started forgetting about God. Different prophets and saints came to explain who God was but failed themselves. The god of the Hindus was a far away entity who could be represented in various forms. There was no need for this far away entity as long as u had his closer-to-home aspects by u. These aspects were then given a form to represent them which over time became even more progressive as these aspects came to represent different Gods and Godesses. These demi-gods were worshipped in idols and other forms while the far away entity was forgotten or put in the background. Then came Judaism, a vengeful but also a loving God who promised to send a messiah named Immanuel. Yet as time progressed there were so many messiahs that no one particularly cared when Christ came along. Again his intentions were noble but the stress that he laid on living in what we call a physical reality forever fell short of the real nature of God. Overtime his message was corrupted.

Than came Muhammad, yet he bound the world to namaz, eid etc. His followers were to perform rituals to remember God and please him. They were to bow only to the west, they were to enact certain laws and acts. When we see the life of Muhammad, we admit that he had noble intentions yet actions like marrying Aisha (which has created controversies as to her age in the Arabic world, as most Arabs say she was 9 and non-arabs she was older), the massacre of the Banu Qurazya and other actions make him look more like a conqueror than prophet. Men then witnessed many traditionalist and other forms of revival movements in each and every religion which lead to sects being formed or different groups. Some took a break from the others and made their own religions etc. In all this the truth about God was lost. Then man witnessed the bhakti movement in India, which was based around one god and meditation. There were many great revivalists and religious figures in this movement and one of them was Bhagat Ramanand, and his disciples. One of these disciples Kabir took an extensive study of religious texts to see how to meet or attain perfection and than God.

The eastern faiths promised much but failed to deliver, the semitic faiths made man out to be a total zero living under the glare of a watchful parent. Kabir than realised that God was inside him and started preaching this. In time he finally met his creator. Similarly in this way 15 saints met their maker and made themselves perfect. Yet the question remained, no established dictum, theory (call it whatever you will) led them to God. No path, nothing. It was more of a trial and error thing. It was than that God decided to send Guru Nanak Dev Ji who was perfect from the start. The Guru was a copy of God who came amongst us humans (this will make it more easy for u to understand) his task was to give instruction to the world. Whereas all the first saints etc. founded religions based on their own observations, Guru Nanak Dev Ji a form of God founded Sikhi on what God wanted mortals to know. He started writing Bani, and collected the Bani of the aforementioned 15 saints. He placed emphasis more on the Guru' shabad word than the physical Guru himself. It is by joining ourselves with Guru's word we attain perfection and God himself. We can say that the Guru of the 15 saints and Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Guru was the one and the same, Waheguru or wonderful God. The other 15 saints dispelled darkness of ignorance for themselves but Guru Nanak Dev Ji did it for the whole world. The word today is what we call Guru Granth Sahib, even the Guru's themselves bowed to it. Through Gurbani (what we call the word) you will find out philosophy of Sikhi and what it really is. It is easy to come on forums and barge out but only reading and trying to understand various religious texts will help.

Regarding your assertion Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not reject Islam, u can also find proof of what I say in Gurbani.

[chatanga]

When we see the life of Muhammad, we admit that he had noble intentions yet actions like marrying Aisha (which has created controversies as to her age in the Arabic world, as most Arabs say she was 9 and non-arabs she was older), the massacre of the Banu Qurazya and other actions make him look more like a conqueror than prophet.

not to forget the diabolical act of keeping humans as slaves. How anyone could do this i dont know, and i couldnt care less about culture or the times, etc, but no Man who knew/knows God could ever have another human being as his slave.

[13Mirch]

not to forget the diabolical act of keeping humans as slaves. How anyone could do this i dont know, and i couldnt care less about culture or the times, etc, but no Man who knew/knows God could ever have another human being as his slave.

Veer Ji I do not believe anything in the life of Muhammad Ji has been changed. Anything at all. If anything is being changed than it is probably being changed by individuals like Abu Adeeba (Islam-Sikhism) or Al-Mujahoureen who are trying to justify Islamic acts worldwide. Other than that we as Sikhs will always call Guru Sahibaans more perfect than the other saints prophets etc. Another consideration is that we are almost discriminated against because of how we treat Guru Granth Sahib Ji. That is after a shower, clean limbs etc. we sit and read it. We place it high above sangat. We wrap it in clean clothes and put it in a bed. This to demonstrate our respect and reverence. If u want to take possession of Guru Sahib u have to ask etc. not just walk into a shop and buy the word of God for two dollars.