Background Of These Shaheeds

[Mehtab Singh]

Please clarify on the background of Bhai Mati Das, Bhai Sati Das, and Bhai Dyala Jee. Some historians say the they were from Brahmin families, others say they were from Chheembay family (same as Bhagat Naam Dev ji). Also, why is Bhai Sati Das sometimes referred to as Bhai Sati Ram? And was Bhai Dyala Jee's real name Dyal Das?

Just curious, especially after we started a thread on when our families came into Sikhi. I didn't want to spoil that thread so starting this one. I asked this question elsewhere too, but didn't get very many encouraging replies. Now I know Sikhi is anti-castes, however, since we were discussing how our families got into Sikhi, I thought might as well throw this question over here as well.

I just got a gut feeling, maybe I am NOT the first Sikh in my family after all! :D

Thanks

[Guest]

Bhai dyala ji was bhai mani Singh jis brother.

[Mehtab Singh]

Thanks, looks like no one else knows?

[luckysingh99]

Bhai dyala ji was bhai mani Singh jis brother.

Yes, I believe I have read that somewhere and Bhai Mati das ji and Bhai Sati das ji were brothers I think ?

[Guest]

Yes, I believe I have read that somewhere and Bhai Mati das ji and Bhai Sati das ji were brothers I think ?

They were brothers.

[isingh1699]

Bhai Mati Das Ji and Bhai Sati Das Ji were brothers who were born pure (casteless) Gursikhs (but there ancestors were originally Brahmin).

Bhai Dayala Ji was similarly a castleless Guru ka Sikh and Bhai Mani Singh's brother (and there ancestors were originally Arain Kamboh)

Sikhi is anti-caste but people of all different tribes, backgrounds, previous religions have embraced Sikhi and it's good to point out to others that not all Brahmins are Hindu and that not all Arain Kamboh are Muslim. Interestingly there are more Punjabi Muslims from Brahmin caste than there are Hindu Brahmins in Punjab but people think Brahmin must mean Hindu when in terms of Punjabi population it actually doesn't

Many ex-Brahmins who rejected caste and accepted belief in only one God became members of Khalsa Panth but were made shaheed by Aurangzeb and the Mughals. As Brahmins who became Sikhs were shunned by Muslim Bhatts/Butts and Hindu Brahmins for being fervent Gursikhs they were very strict in not using their original clan surnames and remained strict in keeping only Singh and Kaur. But as old census figures show there are lakhs of Sikhs with Brahmin ancestry today but they are generally more strict in avoiding gotra use.

Same thing with Muslims. Many don't realise that 50% of Guru Nanak's followers were Muslim (alongside our great Sikh Bhai Mardana Ji).

Thousands of Muslims also became Khalsay and Bhai Sahib Singh Ji (one of the Pany Piare) was also of Muslim parents and his previous name was Sahib Shah (though other books refer to his previous name as Sahib "Chand")

[Mehtab Singh]

^^ Thanks

[SikhKosh]

Bhai Mati Das and Bhai Sati Das were Chibber Brahmins, having a common ancestor with Kesar Singh Chibber. Their father took part in the battles of Guru Hargobind Sahib. Dargaah Mal, the paternal uncle of these Shaheeds was the Diwan of 3 Gurus.

Just for your information, there were alot of Sikhs of Brahmin backgrounds in Guru Hargobind Sahibs army.

[Mehtab Singh]

Thank you jeeo