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Why Don't We Have A Gurdwara With Dasam Granth Sahibji Parkash In Ontario?

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Sat Sri Akal Sangato,

I always wonder why we dont have a Gurukar with DGSJi Parkash. It is possible, so why has it not been done yet? I am sure there are enough believers for the Gurukar to operate. Why has this not been done yet? Are people afraid of the "Singh Sabha"? Are people afraid of the violence that might ensue?

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There are no nihang guruduwaras in ontario.There is couple of taksali guruduwaras such as malton gurduwara and jot parkash gurduwara.One akj tapoban gurduwara.A few Nanaksar gurduwaras such as the one on Rey Lawson and McLaughlin.There are no nihang guruduwaras in ontario Canada though.

I would love to have dasam Granth parkash in the gurduwaras.

Where in ontario are you located?Im in Milton ontario.

Nobody is scared of this <banned word filter activated> missionaries Singh sabhias.

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Gurdwara committees will not allow the Parkash of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib. They want to keep everything simple as possible. Then you have the poor excuse that Sri Dasam Granth Parkash only takes place at Takhts. It's on the youth to start Gurdwaras and leave these old baggages behind to their money hungry eyes in the dust.

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I live in Brampton, Ontario. I wonder why no one has come to the sangat with this idea before. Maybe they have but I dont remember anything of the sort. Why dont we raise money for this? Where we can have a Gurukar that is similar to Shri Takht Hazyr Sahib. I would do this myself but I am a mona born in a Hindu Rajput family so people would just start defaming Guru Sahib and try to make me seem like an RSS hindu trying to propogate DGSJi to "ruin" sikhi. This task must have a amritdhari gursikh as its spokesperson. I understand that Gurbani does not pray to the avtars but has immense respect for them and explains their dharmic duties bestowed by Sadashiv Maharaj. However these fools dont understand that and runaway scared and scare innocent sangat into believing their propaganda. So I am willing to help attain this goal but I cant be the face of the movement. Is anyone else here as serious as I am about this?

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If somebody has connection with guruduwara managments they could try talking to them.The youth could also try but it's not a simple task.

I have dasam Granth Prakash at my house.

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I for one will never go to this gurdwara ... can't see anything given status equal to Guru Maharaj !!

waiting for the hateful replies :)

No hateful replies just a nice reply :)

It is puratan maryada to have Sri dasam Granth sahib parkash.The Sri dasam Granth is not parkash on equal levels as well.Dasam Granth is lower than Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji maharaj.Till 1945 there was Sri dasam Granth parkash in all the takhts till sgpc took them out.

In your opinion your not going to takht Sri hazur sahib then?Or takht Sri Patna sahib?Both have Sri dasam Granth sahib parkash.

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Why do we have to ask Gurdwara managements? I dont trust any of these massands. And I never will. It is definitely not an easy task per se. However, it is not something that is unattainable either. It would take time but it would be time well spent.

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I understand that Gurbani does not pray to the avtars but has immense respect for them and explains their dharmic duties bestowed by Sadashiv Maharaj.

I would love to see this immense respect Gurbani has for Devi and Devta that Gurbani calls low as ants.

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If devi devta are ants then were are mere particles of dust. You must be blind to the quotes that say the devi devtay are servants of god. You and me are not even close to that. Who are you to judge them? You think because the Guru calls someone ants that you can also call them ants? They are higher powers than us according to the will of god. God made Durga: "thayheen Durga saajkay dentaan da naas karaya". God made them special, unlike me and you. We are keeray compared to devi devtay as they are keeray compared to Sadashiv/Bhagauti.

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If devi devta are ants then were are mere particles of dust. You must be blind to the quotes that say the devi devtay are servants of god. You and me are not even close to that. Who are you to judge them? You think because the Guru calls someone ants that you can also call them ants? They are higher powers than us according to the will of god. God made Durga: "thayheen Durga saajkay dentaan da naas karaya". God made them special, unlike me and you. We are keeray compared to devi devtay as they are keeray compared to Sadashiv/Bhagauti.

A lot of huffing and puffing, but nothing materialized. You made the claim that Gurbani has immense respect for devi and devta, but you have not presented a single pankti.

"thayheen Durga saajkay dentaan da naas karaya"

The above comes in Chandi di Vaar and is not giving immense respect to Durga. It is actually saying if you read the whole pauri that these devis and devta (including durga) received their strength from Vaheguru. After creating the playing field he got these devta and devis in a fight with demons. Indra lost against the demons. Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji is telling what actually happened and not the lies told by Vedant scriptures. Guru Sahib is setting the record straight that these devis and devta are nothing special.

Here is the link if anyone is interested

http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=298

You come from a Hindu background and will favor these devi and devta just as a Muslim will favor Muhammad. One thing is very clear in Gurbani. Whether that be Aad Granth or Dasam Granth, these devi and devta were sent by Vaheguru to spread dharm, but they got lost in their own pride and started teaching people they are to be worshipped and are the One Supreme Being. They taught the people how to worship them, but never told the people how to worship Akal Purakh. And today these devi and devta are begging at the feet of Vaheguru's Bhagats to attain liberation.

If these devis and devta actually taught according to Gurbani. Then they would be special and immense respect would be given to them as immense respect is given to Bhagat Prahlaad ji. Bhagat ji is special not these devi devta. Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji is special, but not these devi devta. Tav Parsad Swaiyve very clearly state Vaheguru does not care about how big of an army or powers (as devi and devta had), or how many battles you have won. The immense respect comes from following the instructions of Vaheguru.

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You have been on this site for how long? And you have never come across the angs in GGSji where Guru Sahib says God came in the form of Krishan Bhagwanji? I shouldnt hve to tell you the quotes and lines as there are people on this site like neosingh and others who have mentioned what I did numerous times. And i already know Durga was made (saajkay) by Sadashiv. Thats the whole point of the line... They were made deliberately by God, not like me and you. I really dont see how you can degrade higher beings by quoting the Guru as if you hold the same authority.

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A hindu friend of mine once remarked SGGS is written in praise of Rama and Krishna - here are two shabads to debunk this myth - first is by bhagat namdev and second by Guru Nanak .

ਆਜੁ ਨਾਮੇ ਬੀਠਲੁ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਮੂਰਖ ਕੋ ਸਮਝਾਊ ਰੇ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Today, Naam Dayv saw the Lord, and so I will instruct the ignorant. ||Pause||
ਪਾਂਡੇ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਗਾਇਤ੍ਰੀ ਲੋਧੇ ਕਾ ਖੇਤੁ ਖਾਤੀ ਥੀ ॥
O Pandit, O religious scholar, your Gayatri was grazing in the fields.
ਲੈ ਕਰਿ ਠੇਗਾ ਟਗਰੀ ਤੋਰੀ ਲਾਂਗਤ ਲਾਂਗਤ ਜਾਤੀ ਥੀ ॥੧॥
Taking a stick, the farmer broke its leg, and now it walks with a limp. ||1||
ਪਾਂਡੇ ਤੁਮਰਾ ਮਹਾਦੇਉ ਧਉਲੇ ਬਲਦ ਚੜਿਆ ਆਵਤੁ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਥਾ ॥
O Pandit, I saw your great god Shiva, riding along on a white bull.
ਮੋਦੀ ਕੇ ਘਰ ਖਾਣਾ ਪਾਕਾ ਵਾ ਕਾ ਲੜਕਾ ਮਾਰਿਆ ਥਾ ॥੨॥
In the merchant's house, a banquet was prepared for him - he killed the merchant's son. ||2||

ਪਾਂਡੇ ਤੁਮਰਾ ਰਾਮਚੰਦੁ ਸੋ ਭੀ ਆਵਤੁ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਥਾ ॥
O Pandit, I saw your Raam Chand coming too
ਰਾਵਨ ਸੇਤੀ ਸਰਬਰ ਹੋਈ ਘਰ ਕੀ ਜੋਇ ਗਵਾਈ ਥੀ ॥੩॥
; he lost his wife, fighting a war against Raawan. ||3||
ਹਿੰਦੂ ਅੰਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਤੁਰਕੂ ਕਾਣਾ ॥
The Hindu is sightless; the Muslim has only one eye.
ਦੁਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਸਿਆਣਾ ॥
The spiritual teacher is wiser than both of them.
ਹਿੰਦੂ ਪੂਜੈ ਦੇਹੁਰਾ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਣੁ ਮਸੀਤਿ ॥
The Hindu worships at the temple, the Muslim at the mosque.
ਨਾਮੇ ਸੋਈ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਜਹ ਦੇਹੁਰਾ ਨ ਮਸੀਤਿ ॥੪॥੩॥੭॥
Naam Dayv serves that Lord, who is not limited to either the temple or the mosque. ||4||3||7||





ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥
Aasaa, First Mehl:
ਪਉਣੁ ਉਪਾਇ ਧਰੀ ਸਭ ਧਰਤੀ ਜਲ ਅਗਨੀ ਕਾ ਬੰਧੁ ਕੀਆ ॥
He created the air, and He supports the whole world; he bound water and fire together.
ਅੰਧੁਲੈ ਦਹਸਿਰਿ ਮੂੰਡੁ ਕਟਾਇਆ ਰਾਵਣੁ ਮਾਰਿ ਕਿਆ ਵਡਾ ਭਇਆ ॥੧॥
The blind, ten-headed Raavan had his heads cut off, but what greatness was obtained by killing him? ||1||
ਕਿਆ ਉਪਮਾ ਤੇਰੀ ਆਖੀ ਜਾਇ ॥
What Glories of Yours can be chanted?
ਤੂੰ ਸਰਬੇ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
You are totally pervading everywhere; You love and cherish all. ||1||Pause||
ਜੀਅ ਉਪਾਇ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਹਥਿ ਕੀਨੀ ਕਾਲੀ ਨਥਿ ਕਿਆ ਵਡਾ ਭਇਆ ॥
You created all beings, and You hold the world in Your Hands; what greatness is it to put a ring in the nose of the black cobra, as Krishna did?
ਕਿਸੁ ਤੂੰ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਜੋਰੂ ਕਉਣ ਕਹੀਐ ਸਰਬ ਨਿਰੰਤਰਿ ਰਵਿ ਰਹਿਆ ॥੨॥
Whose Husband are You? Who is Your wife? You are subtly diffused and pervading in all. ||2||
ਨਾਲਿ ਕੁਟੰਬੁ ਸਾਥਿ ਵਰਦਾਤਾ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਭਾਲਣ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਗਇਆ ॥
Brahma, the bestower of blessings, entered the stem of the lotus, with his relatives, to find the extent of the universe.
ਆਗੈ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਓ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਕੰਸੁ ਛੇਦਿ ਕਿਆ ਵਡਾ ਭਇਆ ॥੩॥
Proceeding on, he could not find its limits; what glory was obtained by killing Kansa, the king? ||3||
ਰਤਨ ਉਪਾਇ ਧਰੇ ਖੀਰੁ ਮਥਿਆ ਹੋਰਿ ਭਖਲਾਏ ਜਿ ਅਸੀ ਕੀਆ ॥
The jewels were produced and brought forth by churning the ocean of milk. The other gods proclaimed "We are the ones who did this!"



Further there are other sloks like

"Devi deva poojiye kya mango kya dey"

"thakur chor cheri ko dhyave"

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