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What institutes? You can try and twist my words whatever way you want to make it seem like I "answered [my] own question".

Institutes in this case are sampradas or traditional bodies such as Nihungs, Udasis and Nirmalas. As for the Hinduphobia query, it seems quite radical to say that the Guru could never write something like this. The validity of the latter belief was first questioned by the Sodhak committee because this work hampered it's progress in defining a Sikhism in a Judeo-Christian framework.

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Institutes in this case are sampradas or traditional bodies such as Nihungs, Udasis and Nirmalas. As for the Hinduphobia query, it seems quite radical to say that the Guru could never write something like this. The validity of the latter belief was first questioned by the Sodhak committee because this work hampered it's progress in defining a Sikhism in a Judeo-Christian framework.

You and some others on this website can keep on promoting the myth of "Judeo-Christian framework" by using these types of random labels including Hindu-phobia.

No one is saying that Guru Gobind Singh Jee couldn't write it. He could write whatever he wants! (Again you are twisting words).

But realistically, He didn't write this.

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You and some others on this website can keep on promoting the myth of "Judeo-Christian framework" by using these types of random labels including Hindu-phobia.

No one is saying that Guru Gobind Singh Jee couldn't write it. He could write whatever he wants! (Again you are twisting words).

But realistically, He didn't write this.

And you are basing that assumption on what? One, a single, academic's summary which might or might not be evidentially authentic.

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And you are basing that assumption on what? One, a single, academic's summary which might or might not be evidentially authentic.

Does this kirt exist in puratan(period:1690-1760) Shree Dasam Granth Saroops? or only a few selected ones written after that puratan period?

Phokat Kabit is claimed as bani when it was not even found in Puratan saroops for example.

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Does this kirt exist in puratan(period:1690-1760) Shree Dasam Granth Saroops? or only a few selected ones written after that puratan period?

Phokat Kabit is claimed as bani when it was not even found in Puratan saroops for example.

From what I am aware (I am sure the Sodhak committee report is available online) all purataan Dasam Granth Birs include Uggardanti, Bhagauti Astotar, this Bani, and a few others which were removed on the basis of the committee's understanding.

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http://tisarpanth.blogspot.in/2013/02/sri-bhagwat-geeta-of-guru-gobind-singh.html

Whereas the normal run-of-the mill commentary provides information revolving around the message of the Gita only, the Guru added in passages relating to the Khalsa and it's code of conduct. Not only did the Khalsa find it's way into this new commentary, a description of Krishna's forces was also included. Along with these new additions the Guru also essayed other matters of religion and life into this unique commentary. It was Bhai Mani Singh Ji who incorporated "Sri Bhagwat Geeta Bhakha Guru Gobind Singh Ki." in the Dasam Granth, and it is found even today in the 32 hand-written manuscripts prepared at the time.

It was in the late 1800's that the Sodhak committee took the decision to remove this composition of the Guru, and eight others, from the published saroops of Dasam Granth.
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Follow up question would be who were in sodhak committe? were they fully qualified? What's was the reasoning for them taking out this text along with other 8? Was it ideological difference or writing style, binding indifference etc?

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Follow up question would be who were in sodhak committe? were they fully qualified? What's was the reasoning for them taking out this text along with other 8? Was it ideological difference or writing style, binding indifference etc?

I guess that's a question for the blog. Follow their facebook link to their facebook page and ask.

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source - sikhanswers.com


From 1892 to 1897, scholars assembled at the Sri Akaal Takht Sahib in Amritsar, known as the “Sodhak Committee”, to study the various hand-written Sri Dasam Granths. They concluded that Sri Dasam Granth was the work of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. However, the group of scholars who studied Sri Dasam Granth deleted 8 Banis (compositions) from the revised Granth which were present in Sri Dasam Granth claimed to be compiled by Bhai Mani Singh. The 8 Compositions deleted by the Sodhak Committee are the following:


1. Sansahar Sukhmana – It has 43 stanzas.


2. Vaar Malkauns – 11 pauris, Nanak Jo Prabh Bhawangey, Harji Harmandar Awangey.


3. Vaar Bhagauti Ji Ki – Different from Vaar Durga Ki – Bhagat Bhagauti Tis Ki, Jo Jan Dhir Dhre


4. Sri Bhagwat Gita Bhakha Sri Gobind Singh Kirt – translation and commentary of the Bhagavad Gita. It talks about the Khalsa warriors, the warriors in Krishnas army and other things. There is however doubt regarding the author. It starts with “Ik Oankaar Sri Waheguru ji ki fateh Patshahi 10″ but the writing style seems more similar to one of the court poets than that of Akaal Ustat or Bachittar Naattak etc.


5. Raag Aasa & Raag Soratth Patshahi Dasvin


6. Asfotak Kabits (Published by Randir Singh in Dasam Granth at Punjabi University)


7. Maajh Patshahi Dasvee’n


8. Chakka Bhagauti Ji Ka


Question arises as to why the Sodhak Committee deleted the following 8 compositions, and who authorized the committee members to do so. The original version of Sri Dasam Granth was not accepted by this Committee that suggests that the original version of this Granth has been altered and adulterated. The present-day published Sri Dasam Granth (1902) is the work of the Sodhak Committee.


Further re-examinations and reviews took place in 1931, under the guidance of the Darbar Sahib Committee of the Shiromani Gurdwara Prabhandak Committee they too vindicated the earlier conclusion (agreeing that it was indeed the entire work of the Guru) and its findings have since been published.


Sri Dasam Granth is not our Guru and cannot match the status of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. But it is a scripture of the Sikh religion and the has been with us for many centuries. Hence it deserves respect. In recent years Sri Dasam Granth has been at the centre of controversy with Professor Darshan Singh, the former Jathedaar of Sri Akal Takht, questioning its authenticity and message. Unfortunately he not only criticised the Granth but has used much derogatory language for it. When summoned to the Sri Akal Takht Sahib, Prof Darshan Singh was very arrogant and stubborn and refused to engage in any discussions on the topic in private. As a result of this, on 5th December 2009, after giving many chances to discuss the issue within the frameworks of Gurmat traditions, an edict was issued by the Sri Akal Takht Sahib asking the Panth to boycott him and declared him as a ‘Thankhayia’ (liable to chastisement/punishment).


The Sri Akal Takht has asked the worldwide Sikh community to not engage in any debates on Sri Dasam Granth in public. If any individual(s) wishes to contribute to the discussion on Sri Dasam Granth’s authenticty etc then they should present themselves before Sri Akal Takht Sahib and respectfully engage in scholarly discussions rather than rake controversies amongst the normal Sangat.


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The following screenshot is of the contents page from a dasam granth beerh at patna sahib from 1698AD. In the bottom left you can see the bani Sri Bhagwat Gita Bhakha Sri Gobind Singh Kirt listed.

Thank you for that.

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source - sikhanswers.com

From 1892 to 1897, scholars assembled at the Sri Akaal Takht Sahib in Amritsar, known as the “Sodhak Committee”, to study the various hand-written Sri Dasam Granths. They concluded that Sri Dasam Granth was the work of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. However, the group of scholars who studied Sri Dasam Granth deleted 8 Banis (compositions) from the revised Granth which were present in Sri Dasam Granth claimed to be compiled by Bhai Mani Singh. The 8 Compositions deleted by the Sodhak Committee are the following:

1. Sansahar Sukhmana – It has 43 stanzas.

2. Vaar Malkauns – 11 pauris, Nanak Jo Prabh Bhawangey, Harji Harmandar Awangey.

3. Vaar Bhagauti Ji Ki – Different from Vaar Durga Ki – Bhagat Bhagauti Tis Ki, Jo Jan Dhir Dhre

4. Sri Bhagwat Gita Bhakha Sri Gobind Singh Kirt – translation and commentary of the Bhagavad Gita. It talks about the Khalsa warriors, the warriors in Krishnas army and other things. There is however doubt regarding the author. It starts with “Ik Oankaar Sri Waheguru ji ki fateh Patshahi 10″ but the writing style seems more similar to one of the court poets than that of Akaal Ustat or Bachittar Naattak etc.

5. Raag Aasa & Raag Soratth Patshahi Dasvin

6. Asfotak Kabits (Published by Randir Singh in Dasam Granth at Punjabi University)

7. Maajh Patshahi Dasvee’n

8. Chakka Bhagauti Ji Ka

Question arises as to why the Sodhak Committee deleted the following 8 compositions, and who authorized the committee members to do so. The original version of Sri Dasam Granth was not accepted by this Committee that suggests that the original version of this Granth has been altered and adulterated. The present-day published Sri Dasam Granth (1902) is the work of the Sodhak Committee.

Further re-examinations and reviews took place in 1931, under the guidance of the Darbar Sahib Committee of the Shiromani Gurdwara Prabhandak Committee they too vindicated the earlier conclusion (agreeing that it was indeed the entire work of the Guru) and its findings have since been published.

Sri Dasam Granth is not our Guru and cannot match the status of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. But it is a scripture of the Sikh religion and the has been with us for many centuries. Hence it deserves respect. In recent years Sri Dasam Granth has been at the centre of controversy with Professor Darshan Singh, the former Jathedaar of Sri Akal Takht, questioning its authenticity and message. Unfortunately he not only criticised the Granth but has used much derogatory language for it. When summoned to the Sri Akal Takht Sahib, Prof Darshan Singh was very arrogant and stubborn and refused to engage in any discussions on the topic in private. As a result of this, on 5th December 2009, after giving many chances to discuss the issue within the frameworks of Gurmat traditions, an edict was issued by the Sri Akal Takht Sahib asking the Panth to boycott him and declared him as a ‘Thankhayia’ (liable to chastisement/punishment).

The Sri Akal Takht has asked the worldwide Sikh community to not engage in any debates on Sri Dasam Granth in public. If any individual(s) wishes to contribute to the discussion on Sri Dasam Granth’s authenticty etc then they should present themselves before Sri Akal Takht Sahib and respectfully engage in scholarly discussions rather than rake controversies amongst the normal Sangat.

The 3rd Bani you mention in that list. I think it is also present in the Sri Sarbloh Granth or Sikh answers has made an error.

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