Mahima Of Wahiguru, His Nam & His Gurmukhs ....

[Balbir Singh]

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal.
Dear all and luckysingh99 jee,

You wrote "Is to say the hari= is not waheguru, the lord, god,...etc... contrary to gurmat ?"
Call somebody and he will turn his face toward you.

L.S.wrote "Andinu=means Every day and every hour or you could say day and night or anything else that means all hours of BOTH working awake day and sleeping night day.
Agree ???"
All activities including our breath are active day and night. True Simran can also become active day and night.
True Simran leads one even beyond the body and mind activities. Day and night are realizations through body and mind.
Just like there is no night on Sun.
True Simran leads one to a state where there is no day or night.
dinu means the day.
ndinu means no day.
andinu means (without) no day and day.

L.S. wrote "Chakri=means to work, serve or be making some active effort."
All acts are His. He is active in all.
How can an individual work, serve or be making some active effort?

Enough for now.

Balbir Singh

[luckysingh99]

Have you ever tasted the fruit called ognam?

Most of us do not know what that is.

Strange. Most of us are showing their expertise on this.

Not everyone likes to approach ideas and fruits in a backward manner ! :ohno:

isn't 'ognam' ='mango' spelled backwards ?

[Balbir Singh]

luckysingh99 jee,
You wrote "isn't 'ognam' ='mango' spelled backwards ?"

This is exactly how smart people are convinced that they know.
They go on but searching further day after day, life after life.

Balbir Singh

[Gurpreetgalot]

Thanks All for the topic and Balbir Ji

"Andinu"

This word is wonderfully explained.

Thanks

[harsharan000]

maajh mehlaa 5.
Maajh, Fifth Mehl

Shabad Title: SaaDhoo sang tareejai saagar katee-ai jam kee faasaa jee-o

From the Shabad Title of Dhan Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj in Raag Maajh, some lines are been taken to draw the attention on the three pillars of Gurmat, which are coincidently also mentioned in the title of present thread.

First of all, he says:

man tan rataa raam pi-aaray.
My mind and body are imbued with love for the Lord.

Here, He is telling us, that in order to meet the Lord Wahiguru, we must fill our mind and body with love for Him alone, means, He should be our sole objective. When a mother holds her child in her arms, only the child exsits for her, she is absorbed in the pure selfless love, and beauty of her child, in such a way should be our love for Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

We must bear in mind, that these Sant Janas, Gurmukhs, Guru Sahibans, they are already one with Wahiguru, but whatever they say or do, is for us humans, so that we may learn the art of pure love, and all that implies, in our relation with Wahiguru.

Now, the question may arise, how to fill ourselves with Love for Him?

For that purpose, He gives us the answer in the following lines:

sarbas deejai apnaa vaaray.
I sacrifice everything for Him.
aath pahar govind gun gaa-ee-ai bisar na ko-ee saasaa jee-o.
Twenty-four hours a day, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord of the Universe. Do not forget Him, for even one breath.

In the first line above, He is telling us, what is the real meaning of sacrificing everything for Him. He is not tellings, to leave our jobs, or our responsibilities towards our family, neither to torture the body, neither stop eating or talking, as many may think.

But it means to give priority to our relation with Him. Daily we should take some time from our 24 hours and meditate on Him, on doing His bandagee.

This is what He wants; He wants our hearts, our minds, our souls.... our humility.

This is what, pleases Him the most.

What else ours do we have to offer Him?

As already He has everything.

He knows we are uncomplete, we are heavy sinners, we are uncapable of doing anything good, but He also knows, that without Himself washing us, we can never get cleansed by ourselves....

However the child maybe dirty, the mother never misses the chance to embrace her child to her chest. So is our heavenly Father Wahiguru Akal Purukh. When we invoke Him with devotion, He washes us, with the Amrit of His Nam.

Our sins, our sanskaras, our blemishes, our weaknesses, even the "panj vikars" of kam krodh lobh moh and ahankar, can only be overcome by His Nam.

This is what it means, when the Bani says: "Sarab rog ka aukhad Nam"

Then in the second line above, He is teling us to sing His glory for all the 24 hours. Not to forget Him even during the inhaling / exhaling of a breath...

Now what does the exactly mean? What is our Guru Sahiban telling us here?

He is telling us that, the real singing of His Glory, is not reciting any scriptures(though that is very good also), for some hours, because, we can recite them for some hours, then what?

We can not practically do that all the 24 hours.

Then, what is it, that our Sachay Patshah, is telling us to do all the 24 hours non stop?

Well, at other place the Bani says: "Prabh ka Simran, Har Gun Bani".

Means, engaging ourselves in His Simran, is the real singing of His glory. And if we pay attention, this jugtee is practical, which we can do at all times and being at any places.

In the end, to sing His Glory or do His Simran, is the same thing and has the same effects thus.

We may complicate things with our twisted minds, but these Guru Sahibans are simple, and their teachings are also simple and universal.

In some further lines, He says:

saaDhoo sang tareejai saagar katee-ai jam kee faasaa jee-o.

In the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, one crosses over the world-ocean, and the noose of death shall be cut away from the soul.

This is the mahanta of Sadh kee Sangat, where we learn to love Him, where we leave behind our moorakhta, our agaynta.

The Bani says: Har keea Katha, kahaneeya, Gur meet sunaiyaa.

The secrets, the stories, the glory, of my beloved Lord Wahiguru, are made known to us, by His Gurmukhs, Gursikhs, Guru Sahibans .....

Going a step ahead, in the mahima and importance of His Gurmukhs, He tells us:

pooran bhaag bha-ay jis paraanee. saaDhsang milay saarangpaanee.
That mortal who is blessed by perfect destiny meets the Lord, the Sustainer of the Universe, in the Company of the Holy.

Then is the following last line of this Shabad, he summarizes the teachings of Gurmat:

naanak naam vasi-aa jis antar parvaan girsat udaasaa jee-o.
O Nanak, if the Naam, the Name of the Lord, dwells within the mind, one is approved and accepted, whether he is a house-holder or a renunciate

Here, He is telling us, that, if you meditate and establish His Nam in your chit, in your mind, with the Simran of His Nam, as said before, as much as possible, to the extent of all the 24 hours. We must bear in mind, any other thing apart from nam Simran, can have negative consequences, whether physically or mentally, but His Simran, as much as we may do, is never ever sufficient, there are no side effects, only countless benefits.

And this Nam Simran, one can do it, whether one is married and being a householder, or even if one is leading a life of being single, or even a renunciate; it does not make any difference, because, He is within each one of us, and it is there we have to focus our attention, through the teachings of our Guru Sahibans, which is none other than His Simran.

Waheguru Jee.

[Balbir Singh]

Poster harsharan000 jee wrote "From the Shabad Title of Dhan Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj in Raag Maajh, some lines are been taken to draw the attention on the three pillars of Gurmat, which are coincidently also mentioned in the title of present thread."

Thanks for the wonderful Sabad from Guru Arjan Dev jee from Maajh M: 5 SGGS Ang 108

Please point out precisely. Which Vaak from Gurdev is mentioning "Mahima Of Wahiguru, His Nam & His Gurmukhs ...."
I will be grateful.

In my view, all your provided translations and explanations are off the track.

Balbir Singh

[Sat1176]

I was listening to this shabad today and the main rahaao line reminded me of this thread.

Dhanaasaree, Fifth Mehl, Twelfth House:
Dhanaasree mehlaa 5 ghar 12

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:
ik-oNkaar satgur parsaad.

I bow in reverence to the Lord, I bow in reverence. I sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, my King. ||Pause||
bandnaa har bandnaa gun gaavhu gopaal raa-ay. rahaa-o.

By great good fortune, one meets the Divine Guru.
vadai bhaag bhaytay gurdayvaa.

Millions of sins are erased by serving The Lord.
kot paraaDh mitay har sayvaa. ||1||

One whose mind is imbued with the Lord`s lotus feet
charan kamal jaa kaa man raapai.

is not afflicted by the fire of sorrow. ||2||
sog agan tis jan na bi-aapai. ||2||

He crosses over the world-ocean in the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy.
saagar tari-aa saaDhoo sangay.

He chants the Name of the Fearless Lord, and is imbued with the Lord`s Love. ||3||
nirbha-o naam japahu har rangay. ||3||

One who does not steal the wealth of others, who does not commit evil deeds or sinful acts
par Dhan dokh kichh paap na fayrhay.

- the Messenger of Death does not even approach him. ||4||
jam jandaar na aavai nayrhay. ||4||

God Himself quenches the fires of desire.
tarisnaa agan parabh aap bujhaa-ee.

O Nanak, in God`s Sanctuary, one is saved. ||5||1||55||
naanak uDhray parabh sarnaa-ee. ||5||1||55||

[Balbir Singh]

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal,
Dear all and Sat1176 jee,

What does a true seeker start imagine when he reads the word Hari?
Is it Wahiguru, Lord or any other word than Hari?

In my experience true Guru's words are Truth as written or spoken.
There is no need of a smallest change in it.

Balbir Singh

[harsharan000]

ON THE SUPREME IMPORTANCE OF NAM

Dhan Guru Sachay Patshah Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj, in His Bani from Raag Saarang, and the title of that Shabad is,Charnah Gobind maarag suhaavaa, tells us about the supreme importance of the Nam of Wahiguru in the following line:

Sarab niDhaan Naam Har Har kai, jis karam likhi-aa, tin paavaa.
All treasures are in the Name of the Lord, Har, Har; he alone obtains it, who has it written in his karma.

Have we ever thought what are the treasures of Wahiguru?

Well, His treasures are His infinite countless virtues.

And He himself being the embodiment of those infinite virtues, makes Him infinitely beautiful(atee sundar), infinitely attractive (atee mann mohan), and we like bees get attracted to His scent of Nam, which emantes from Him.

Once we taste His Amrit of Nam, all other tatses become tasteless....

So here Guru Jee, is telling us, Wahiguru Akal Purukh, is the fountain of all spiritual treasures, which are the cause of eternal bliss and true permanent happiness.

But these fruits of Lord´s virtues, only that wadbhagee jeeva obtains it, on whom He himself has written it so on his forehead. Nobody can obtain it by himself, by any means.

It is purely His "daat".

[Sat1176]

Pray Truth for all and say Sat Sree Akaal,

Dear all and Sat1176 jee,

What does a true seeker start imagine when he reads the word Hari?

Is it Wahiguru, Lord or any other word than Hari?

In my experience true Guru's words are Truth as written or spoken.

There is no need of a smallest change in it.

Balbir Singh

To me personally they are all synonyms for one and the same whether they were used for His sargun or nirgun form.

For a more learned person there maybe subtle differences in these names but for the average joe Sikh they are names for what Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji made reference to with the words:

aad Sach jugaad Sach.

True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages.

hai bhee Sach naanak hosee bhee Sach.

True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True.