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WKKF.

I was recently told of an account where Guru Gobind SIngh apparently boiled alive some Mahants, killing them in this manner.

I am aware that Guru Ji banned Mahants etc, however find it hard to believe that Guru Ji would torture to death anyone in such a cruel and barbaric manner. Having researched it slightly I have found no solid proof that this ever occurred, and in fact it clearly conflicts with Gurbani which speaks of the complete, merciful Guru etc.

Does anyone have any genuine evidence (verified factual account or bani) that confirms if Guru Ji did infact do this act? If not as with everything the testing stone for me anyway will be Gurbani itself.

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Yes, he did because they became corrupted and started doing things that were prohibited in Gurughar like stealing sangat's money and treating bibans differently. Dekh pariyan maavan dhiyan bhainan jaane. As far as I have heard, they still have the big cauldrons that were used and its also mentioned in Sooraj Parkash katha by Santokh Singh Ji.

Guru Ji is merciful but He will punish you according to his own rules and give you another chance at it.

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WKKF.

I was recently told of an account where Guru Gobind SIngh apparently boiled alive some Mahants, killing them in this manner.

I am aware that Guru Ji banned Mahants etc, however find it hard to believe that Guru Ji would torture to death anyone in such a cruel and barbaric manner. Having researched it slightly I have found no solid proof that this ever occurred, and in fact it clearly conflicts with Gurbani which speaks of the complete, merciful Guru etc.

Does anyone have any genuine evidence (verified factual account or bani) that confirms if Guru Ji did infact do this act? If not as with everything the testing stone for me anyway will be Gurbani itself.

WKWF

Which shabad does the act of Guru Gobind Singh burning masands conflict with?

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Is the point that Gurbani states the Guru is merciful, kind etc in dispute? For me it is not, however if anyone believes Gurbani does not show Guru Ji as kind, compassionate, merciful etc that that is another matte altogether.

Do people really need exact quotes as it is crystal clear to anyone who has read Gurbani of Guru ji being merciful, kind, compassionate etc.

Therefore the real point is why did the perfect kind Guru boil alive these people? From reading here it appears because they were raping woman, beating people etc. Is that correct, or can anyone add anything further?

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Further to add A true sikh Does not ask questions on gurus okay... Everything is not possible with ghandhi giri in this world.......Guru Gobind Singh ji Has given you all those things today that Man/woman was wanting from a long times..........He has sacrificed whole of his Family for us...He gives us Being Royal, dignity,respect,,Crown...I mean everything. Scientifically, A good literature is useless unless it is not interpreted and put into practice and the interpretation and Actions were done by Tenth Guru...Who raises Questions Against him ,He is not Really A sikh..,Can be good example of Hypocrite sikh. Indeed The Most of the Mahants Were not Good people at that time,Even Still not Good Today If you try to see somewhere in punjab...

Once The Rapist Asked the Justice ,"If everything Happens with the will of God Then why are you Giving me a Statement of Death "? Who are you ? Only God will judge me??

The Justice listened him first and then Replied calmly " If you think The that God had ordered you to do such shameful act, Then The same God has ordered me to make you dead"...

Being Merciful ,kind, compassionate are other things but when it comes to anakh and Insaaniyat......we have to kill the devils.... Hope you got now.. :angry2:

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Is the point that Gurbani states the Guru is merciful, kind etc in dispute? For me it is not, however if anyone believes Gurbani does not show Guru Ji as kind, compassionate, merciful etc that that is another matte altogether.

Do people really need exact quotes as it is crystal clear to anyone who has read Gurbani of Guru ji being merciful, kind, compassionate etc.

Therefore the real point is why did the perfect kind Guru boil alive these people? From reading here it appears because they were raping woman, beating people etc. Is that correct, or can anyone add anything further?

Dear brother to understand these things you need to look at this incident from the POV of an Amritdhari Singh or Singhni. We're just like other people are are susceptible to the same form of punishment that would be given to a person who is not baptized. However, for Amritdharis the Guru wants to make sure that our karams are taken care of while we are here on earth so we don't have to return to pay for our deeds. Gurbani describes Akal Purakh as the most merciful, kind, generous etc. but there are also Shabads that taunt us if we don't Jap Naam. I don't remember the exact Shabads but this particular Shabad says that if you were given a human life and you wasted it, then why weren't you aborted while in the womb. There are probably others too on the same concept.

My point is who knows why Guru Ji ordered them to be boiled alive. Maybe that was going to happen to them in naraks and Guru Ji actually saved them by giving them the punishment here on earth. Who knows? It's His khel. Either way, a true Sikh would not leave his Guru regardless of what Guru Ji put him/her through.

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This incident did take place, the well from which maharaj got the oil for the couldrans still exisits.

Please listen to the link below for the details of what took place and why

http://kam1825.podbean.com/e/sri-guru-gobind-singh-ji-and-the-wicked-masands/

yes absolutely correct it is in Anadpur Sahib near to when we climb up the short hill/road to Sri Keshgar Sahib ji and where the stalls on the left hand side of the road actually continue down another road to the left Gurdwara Sahib is down that way i forget the name its also where the kashmiri pandits came to see Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib ji and where Guru i lived with there family and where Guru Gobind Singh ji was given the Gurgaddi. there is a well there too.

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There was a saakhi of one Masand who was a saintly Gursikh. I forgot his name. But it is said when Guru Jee ordered that the Masands be brought to Anandpur Sahib, but no one dared to touch the beard of this Gursikh Masand since everyone knew he was sinless. When this Gursikh Masand found out, he himself grabbed his own beard and presented himself in front of Guru Gobind Singh Jee because he wanted to keep the maan of Guru Gobind Singh Jee's bachans. Guru Jee seeing him with is beard in his hand said: This hukam was not for Gursikhs like you, but for sinful Masands".

It was an Udasi Sikh called Bhai Sangat, who was called Sachi Darri by Guru Ji. His dera is in Pakistan now. Crumbling.

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Personally I think we need to be careful of accepting stories such as the killings of the Masands without there being ample historical evidence for this story. The Guru had gold on his arrows so that if the person who was hit by the arrow was injured he would be able to afford to treat the wound and if he died then his relatives would be able to afford his funeral. It does not seem to be in keeping with the Gurus than one of them would boil alive Masands no matter what their crime. All sorts of stories contrary to Gurbani have crept into Sikhi such as the Devi worship and havan story mainly though writers who had an agenda.

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Personally I think we need to be careful of accepting stories such as the killings of the Masands without there being ample historical evidence for this story. The Guru had gold on his arrows so that if the person who was hit by the arrow was injured he would be able to afford to treat the wound and if he died then his relatives would be able to afford his funeral. It does not seem to be in keeping with the Gurus than one of them would boil alive Masands no matter what their crime. All sorts of stories contrary to Gurbani have crept into Sikhi such as the Devi worship and havan story mainly though writers who had an agenda.

Agreed, but at the same time not everything is made out of blue. This point that "I need evidence right now. no excuses. no compromises" is being used to nullify a lot of Sikh history and break our Sharda. Since we live in times where science and scientific method is the criteria used to measure authenticity, a lot of things that happened in Gurughar would seem like they are impossible. It's a very thin line to reason out what to believe and not to believe.

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