Jump to content

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 31
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

We're an established UK settled family with our roots here going back 60-70 years. One thing my elders keep saying is that how wonderful it is that more and more young sikhs, with each passing generat

Why are the youths of today cutting their beards and kesh ??? Please explain openly ! Really wanna hear your thoughts.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji clearly says without rehat one is not Sikh. For me this is final. I'm not debating the matter. Just stating fact.

Their parents don't know much about Sikhi, which leads to the kids not learning much and by not having knowledge they cut their kes.

Some do it to fit in.

But without parents understanding the value of kes, having their kids keep kes is almost impossible. We can hold camps to teach kids but the majority of parents who don't care definitely won't bring their kids.

We need to start with the parents on this one and then bring the kids into Sikhi. Having discussions at Gurdwaras talking about how valuable Sikhi is could make a difference if they can inspire the adults.

Link to post
Share on other sites

when you ll create such a mentality in the society that everybody can be a sikh ,and keeping kesh and wearing turban are not a sikhi and are not mandatory things ,,then what do you think? what will happen?...

Sikhi is not being declined by the actions of anti non sikh people...its being declind beacuse of the actions of "apne"....

Link to post
Share on other sites

Mostly parental failings, parents are failing to educate their children on the importance of Sikhi saroop and image. The worrying thing is even in newer generations you see families where a yoind couple has git married the groom is a dastaar wearing sardar when this couple had a kid the raise the kid as a Mona...why ??

Also I have to say our Indian brothers let us down badly all over Punjab there's a haircut craze. Even worse almost every sardaar I know who comes from India to the uk for study or work seems to think they need to cut their hair and beard once they are here.. Which basically means they were fakes they had no ethics or morals in the first place.

It needs to be emphasised no turban = not Sikh. The term Sehajdhari Sikh has been misused this term historically was used for Hindus and others on the path to Sikhi who's ultimate aim was to keep kesh and take amrit. Today we are giving out the message that you can still claim to be Sikh as long as you wear a kara...lol..forget about following rehit, maryada or keeping Sikhi image. Its a failing of our religious institutions and parenting. Also lack of clear direction from SGPC and Akal Takht which is no surprise since they are controlled by Badal and Indian government.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

I think its because everyone wants the easy way out!

obviously a guy would think "oh no ill have to tie a pagg and face racism and the girls wont fancy me"

and the girls will think "I'm going to look so desi, the boys will think I'm ugly and old fashioned"

so they think lets just cut our hair and we'll fit in the crowd and everyone will like us!

So I just think its peers pressure if we keep our kesh we will encourage others to as well because being young peer pressure is a big thing!

They don't realise that actually when we'll keep our kesh and tie a pagg we'll see who our true friends are and who actually judges us on our personality and not looks.

But I do understand why people feel this and find it difficult!

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

I think its because everyone wants the easy way out!

obviously a guy would think "oh no ill have to tie a pagg and face racism and the girls wont fancy me"

and the girls will think "I'm going to look so desi, the boys will think I'm ugly and old fashioned"

so they think lets just cut our hair and we'll fit in the crowd and everyone will like us!

So I just think its peers pressure if we keep our kesh we will encourage others to as well because being young peer pressure is a big thing!

They don't realise that actually when we'll keep our kesh and tie a pagg we'll see who our true friends are and who actually judges us on our personality and not looks.

But I do understand why people feel this and find it difficult!

lol.also tell the key role played by " apniya" to change the appearance of Sikh guy..

Link to post
Share on other sites

lol.also tell the key role played by " apniya" to change the appearance of Sikh guy..

not just apniya kuriya but apne munde too because many girls act according to the male gaze - oh ohda diyan bandiya a Jidda munde chonde a

to be honest kinnik munde ehda diyan kuriyan nu pasand karde a jehre fashionable nahi ...

its not only the boys who are pressurised by girls must I think its mainly girls being put under pressure by boys !

:D

Link to post
Share on other sites

because many girls act towards the male gaze - oh ohda diyan bandiya a Jidda munde chonde a

hun question ae a ki kudhiya ko apni self respect hai nai.....main ta kenda munde ta shuru to hi maardhe a.....par ki kudhiyaan changiyaan diya changiyaan rahiyaa??? Gal equality di krdiyaa..par rabb di soo khake dasso...ae equality nai mangdiyaan.,,ae oh cheeza mangdiyaa jo munde maarde kam krde a...


to be honest kinnik munde ehda diyan kuriyan nu pasand karde a jehre fashionable nahi ...

main kenda time kado te asi punjab chalde a aap hi pta lag jau.....ki jeena top,,,,make up ,,hor pta nai ki ki kudhiya apni marji naal krdiya va ya munde kende a....dudd da dudd paani da paani ho jau....

je kudhiyaan ch sachaai hundi ta aaj Gurskh munde nu paun lyi kudhiyaa ch rola pya huna c......

Baaki ae b gal sahi a yeh Kudhi de karm hi mardhe a te fe oh kya kare....Sardar munda ta nagina hai nagina...krma naal hi milna.....:p

Link to post
Share on other sites

because many girls act towards the male gaze - oh ohda diyan bandiya a Jidda munde chonde a

hun question ae a ki kudhiya ko apni self respect hai nai.....main ta kenda munde ta shuru to hi maardhe a.....par ki kudhiyaan changiyaan diya changiyaan rahiyaa??? Gal equality di krdiyaa..par rabb di soo khake dasso...ae equality nai mangdiyaan.,,ae oh cheeza mangdiyaa jo munde maarde kam krde a...

to be honest kinnik munde ehda diyan kuriyan nu pasand karde a jehre fashionable nahi ...

main kenda time kado te asi punjab chalde a aap hi pta lag jau.....ki jeena top,,,,make up ,,hor pta nai ki ki kudhiya apni marji naal krdiya va ya munde kende a....dudd da dudd paani da paani ho jau....

je kudhiyaan ch sachaai hundi ta aaj Gurskh munde nu paun lyi kudhiyaa ch rola pya huna c......

Baaki ae b gal sahi a yeh Kudhi de karm hi mardhe a te fe oh kya kare....Sardar munda ta nagina hai nagina...krma naal hi milna..... :p

No! actually when you look around you'll see more girls that will have long kesh compared to boys with a pagg! Jithe meh rehndi a othe a meh ehda hi dekheya a!

Make up etc nahi!, girls are EXPECTED to remove hair on their face nahi tha people will be like "eww eh kidda di kuri a " I know a lot of girls who simply remove hair because they have extra hair and know that it wont go down well with society

To be honest even I would have been scared if I had lots of hair because people including BOYS will make a joke out of it.

Its acceptable for boys to be hairy and that's why I feel that boys especially should have no excuse to keep their kesh!

haha nagina wagina dialogue !

Link to post
Share on other sites

Mostly parental failings, parents are failing to educate their children on the importance of Sikhi saroop and image. The worrying thing is even in newer generations you see families where a yoind couple has git married the groom is a dastaar wearing sardar when this couple had a kid the raise the kid as a Mona...why ??

Also I have to say our Indian brothers let us down badly all over Punjab there's a haircut craze. Even worse almost every sardaar I know who comes from India to the uk for study or work seems to think they need to cut their hair and beard once they are here.. Which basically means they were fakes they had no ethics or morals in the first place.

It needs to be emphasised no turban = not Sikh. The term Sehajdhari Sikh has been misused this term historically was used for Hindus and others on the path to Sikhi who's ultimate aim was to keep kesh and take amrit. Today we are giving out the message that you can still claim to be Sikh as long as you wear a kara...lol..forget about following rehit, maryada or keeping Sikhi image. Its a failing of our religious institutions and parenting. Also lack of clear direction from SGPC and Akal Takht which is no surprise since they are controlled by Badal and Indian government.

Recently I've seen so many Sikhs who knew nothing about sikhi becoming amritdhari and the ones who were always told about it at home feeling like their kesh are a burden!

I feel sorry for these parents who teach their children everything about sikhi but their children just don't listen and then at the end the parents are blamed :blush2:

Bhul chuk maaf ji

Link to post
Share on other sites

No! actually when you look around you'll see more girls that will have long kesh compared to boys with a pagg! Jithe meh rehndi a othe a meh ehda hi dekheya a!

Make up etc nahi!, girls are EXPECTED to remove hair on their face nahi tha people will be like "eww eh kidda di kuri a " I know a lot of girls who simply remove hair because they have extra hair and know that it wont go down well with society

To be honest even I would have been scared if I had lots of hair because people including BOYS will make a joke out of it.

Its acceptable for boys to be hairy and that's why I feel that boys especially should have no excuse to keep their kesh!

haha nagina wagina dialogue !

jwaab mere to har gal da haiga va thavadi but i m not here for fights.....Ghumm ke main dekhi hai ae duniya o saari......:p

and hanji Sardar munda ta nagina hai nagina...:p...saanu b sardar banke hi pta lagya....:p

Link to post
Share on other sites

jwaab mere to har gal da haiga va thavadi but i m not here for fights.....Ghumm ke main dekhi hai ae duniya o saari...... :p

and hanji Sardar munda ta nagina hai nagina... :p...saanu b sardar banke hi pta lagya.... :p

oooppps im sorry! meh vaise gall kardi c not fight :)

I honestly feel this

haha vaise whats is nagina ? :blush2:

Link to post
Share on other sites

Personally, having non cut hair in the Sikh faith is on the increase. Living in Punjab in the early 80's, cutting hair was becoming an issue but I feel that trend is now decreasing.

Having non cut hair in the SIkh faith is not likely to improve the faith but that is a different issue.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Same lol.   Why can't we post links now?
    • Yeah its coz of the link, I posted a video on the food thread and it said the video has to be approved. I thought I was on quality control, lol. 
    • @ADMIN  @S1ngh Why do my posts have to be approved by a mod now? Is it cause there was a link?
    • I think there are various different reasons for that. One being there are no consequences, which means no boundaries. Around 20 years ago people had to face consequences. With wanting to marry a non-Sikh, you were either disowned by your parents or you were forced to marry someone from a Sikh background. Now there are absolutely no consequences at all.   Much of it is to do with how the religions are practiced and preached. Muslims are constantly reminded of Hell, marrying non-Muslim means going to hell.  You see Sikhi isn't that different in that sense. Bani constantly reminds us of Narak and Dharam raj, and Guru Gobind Singh ji gave strict Hukkam of giving your daughters hand only to a Singh. But, the Sikhi which has been preached and practiced for long is a very wishy-washy Bollywood type of Sikhi.  Around 15 years ago, our community saw an explosion of love marriages, around this time very large numbers of Sikh kids started enrolling into further education, like uni etc   these things bring about cultural changes in immigrant communities, some positive, some negative.  With time, culture changes as well ..   In the old days after anand karaj the "reception party" was basically roti and then everyone went home. Some families used to have singers and dancers perform after the wedding in the house, men were allowed to sit and watch while women were strictly forbidden, so women would peak through the windows or from the roof tops. Years later it became acceptable for women to sit and watch the "entertainment". Eventually the entertainment became reception parties as we see in the west and people in Punjab started copying. Now people are having reception parties in nothing less than 4* venues, spending £100,000s,  we see brides openly drinking and getting drunk.  So you can see how culture changes ...  with this change peoples attitudes change.  Another interesting thing is here in the west the first South Asian community to push boundaries and make taboos acceptable are the Hindus!   then around 5 years later the Westernized, liberal kind of Sikhs copy the Hindus and then a few years later the rest of the community start following. Pakistanis normally catch up around 10 years later.  Its the order ... Homosexuality is now acceptable in the western Hindu community, so many gay Hindus are coming out and having gay mandir weddings and their families are supportive. I know a Gujju girl and her cousin is a lesbian and dating another Hindu lesbian, my friend sent me a photo of them! and both the families have accepted the couple. Currently the Sikh community, on this matter, is in the "debate phase"  give it another few years and it will be acceptable, and it will be the same Westernized, liberal, often successful and pagh wearing Sikhs that will be the first to make gay Sikh marriage acceptable, and then the rest of us will follow. Pakis will catch up around 10 years later.    Even in the paki community I've seen a lot of changes, some of the stuff that they do now wouldn't have been accepted 15 years ago or so. Apostasy among Muslims is on the rise, the women seem to be leading it!  
    • Parent 1. Obviously it depends on the content and the aim of the school. It would be good to have all aspects of Sikhi in one place which has authenticity. No too much pressure for them to learn and churn out material to sit exams. It would be more of quality rather than quantity . 2. Support level , to get a clear understanding what will be taught and the kids and parents expectations right from the beginning. 3. Yes Cost does matter. We have 100's of Gurudawara who should have a budget set aside to invest in the kids and our future generation. So ideas such as this can be researched and developed without thinking about funding. If the cost was reasonable I would pay plus as already mentioned if free its not taken seriously. 4. Self paced is good , but there needs to be a facility where questions can be answered. May be have one or 2 live sessions and the rest self paced.   Sangat 1. Yes there should be tiers , but I think most importantly the material should be authentic. As theres a lot of online material , which ones are good resources , average and bad . 2. May be set up some kind of certification structure for sikhi which over time is recognized and can be used by individuals to train/educate other members of the public. Like many certification courses , they cost but not too much ( starting form £10 plus) The task should be to get as many people doing the online courses as possible, then the price can be low and you will cover your costs. 3.It should be focused to all the public regardless of their background. Made available to businesses ,schools, colleges, universities as part of the establishments diversification program. You have organisations such as Basics of Sikhi , Rajoana TV , Sikh Network etc.. who are doing a brillant job of explaining about sikhi. Tap in to them , make it a collective journey as you may find , they may already have a structure , resources in place , they just need a proper online presence. Reach out to the Sangat who have gyan about Sikhi  via social media and Gurudawara , as there are many Scholars out their. Why is Basics of Sikhi successful , because they keep it simple , easy to understand and follow.  As a parent one of the biggest hurdles for kids is speaking punjabi. Having dialogue with their parents/grandparents . My younger one , hardly speaks punjabi , but what I have found is sikh stories helps a lot. May be have online live sessions where sangat speak punjabi , general punjabi so at least they can particpate in conversations with the elder generation.  
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use