Harmandar Sahb And Bhagat Bani

[Nalwa]

Here is my research which hopes and tries to uphold gurmat/gurbani as balanced, pristine as possible:

Hari just like term raam mostly in gurbani refers to Akaal purkh.

With that being said, we cannot ignore or reject sargun interpretation and reference of term - hari sargun darshan/dedicated to sargun hari in devotion to (be it vishnu or its avtars, chaturbhuj vishnu) in gurbani bhagat bani used by bhagats initially in sargun bhakti later on bhagats perceiving hari as nirgun parbhram after they progressed spiritually or after the darshan of sargun hari.

Sure those shabad which are references to sargun hari (from historical/sargun bhakti standpoint) can be also interpretated as antriv arths where shabad allows (from anubhav arth in meditation vantage point) which is fine from as long sargun interpertation of hari is not downplayed or totally rejected as we then inadvertently reject historical/sargun bhakti stance of bhagats included in gurbani all in fear of fighting some junkie hindu fanatic kid.

So in this way shabad has to be proper contexualized and also looked at historical angle. We cannot always interpret gurbani from nirgun antriv arth standpoint as gurbani is meant for all seekers from all walks of life, addresses to both sargun bhagat (help them with spiritual development) and nirgun ikongkar shabad upsakh.

Many bhagats bhagat bani reference who are included in gurbani starting their spiritual journey quest with sargun bhakti and have used hari term in gurbani in reference to sargun Hari in bhagti but as they spiritual progressed they perceive hari from sargun hari to sarabvpyapk hari or raam (ramiya hoya all prevading paremshvar).

Regarding this hindu fanatic, don't even need to mention gurbani...just beat him with his own tools- bring vedanta outright rejection of hari being vishnu. He won't have anything to say. Tell him if vedanta does not agree with hari being vishnu being some authority but only vyapk atma but how the hell you expect outside gurmat to agree with your sargun fanatic stance.

Most of rss hindu sargun fanatics propaganda can be beaten by their own hindu gnosis school of thought (Vedanta/gyan marg listed in their own bhagvad gita), without sikhs acting in fear/downplaying (contary to true search in gurmat) or going extreme lenghts of undermining gurmat teaching or downplaying/ water down gurmat interpertation. Leave gurbani the way it is...Lets not water down interpertation to fight off rss. Enough damage is already being done to gurmat traditions or framework all in the name of fighting rss.

What is Vedant ? Can you provide more info or link where i can read this .

[singh598]

ask him that because the famous hindu saint Swami Ramakrishana Parmhansa practiced Islam for a while that means he was a muslim.

LOL that will shut him up,

Swami Ramakrishan Parmhansa was an amazing brahmgiani and famous hindu saint, for a long time he did idol worship of Durga. He was mast and had many divine visions. He was the Guru of Swami Vivikenanada. For a while he stopped idol worship and used to go to the mosque....

watch the full video here.