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I don't think it's so much about the actual maun vrat which as described is wrong...

He referring to Dhunda the one doing the katha in this because dhunda has a lot of anti Gurmat views

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I don't think it's so much about the actual maun vrat which as described is wrong...

Bir'ay I think the reason Sarbjit Singh Khalsa (Dhunda) is disliked by Derawad Sant Samaj fans is the following video.

In it Dhunda was arguing that Sri Anandpur Sahib as the birthplace of the Khalsa Panth should hold more importance to Sikhs than yatra's and that Vaisakhi 1699 is absolutely central to what Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj's life history means to the Khalsa Panth (as opposed to the Dusht Daman theory supposedly in a previous life).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm8gxroldjA

So I think we should accord all our fellow Sikhs respect regardless of if Sri Anandpur Sahib is more resonant to them or if they prefer to go on yatra's, as we need to be mature enough to "agree to disagree" respectfully on such issues.

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Veerji can you please elaborate what is wrong with what he is saying? "Maun vrat" path sounds more clownish.

He is a heretic. In order to misguide the Sangat he lies about his qualifications.

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Bir'ay I think the reason Sarbjit Singh Khalsa (Dhunda) is disliked by Derawad Sant Samaj fans is the following video.

In it Dhunda was arguing that Sri Anandpur Sahib as the birthplace of the Khalsa Panth should hold more importance to Sikhs than yatra's and that Vaisakhi 1699 is absolutely central to what Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj's life history means to the Khalsa Panth (as opposed to the Dusht Daman theory supposedly in a previous life).

So I think we should accord all our fellow Sikhs respect regardless of if Sri Anandpur Sahib is more resonant to them or if they prefer to go on yatra's, as we need to be mature enough to "agree to disagree" respectfully on such issues.

Im not a "derawad sant samaj fan" for a start. I also dont do yatras or believe in any such pilgrimages.

I am strongly against dhunda. You got that right :) reasons? The guys a phony. A self proclaimed professor who disrespects Sri Dasam Granth Sahib. Dont think I need any other reasons. His a clown. His not a singh since he doesnt recognise Sri Jaap Sabib, Tav Prasad Savaiye and Benti Chaupai Sahib... just dhunda the clown.

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He is a heretic. In order to misguide the Sangat he lies about his qualifications.

Veerji how qualified are you to call someone you don't personally know a 'heretic'? Let me enlighten you with what the word professor means. It is a Latin origin word which originated in around 1350. In Latin prōfessor is one who has taken the vows of a religious order. It also refers to (in Latin) a public lecturer. So the point that he lies about his qualifications falls flat on floor. He holds a diploma from a government registered college. Which college gives title of bhramgyani, 108, sant, etc.? lol

What has he misguided sangat on? Getting intoxicated with bhang and calling oneself guru-di-fauj, thats an actual lie. The so called brhamgyanis,sants-who are completely uneducated and 5th grade passouts- who leave no stone unturned to lecture about non-sensical sakhis which carry no practical meaning. The so called deras (run by uneducated class) who have not done anything for panth but take it a sorry state of affairs. This is real heresy and lie.

And this maun vrat. This is misguiding. What would maun vrat serve a purpose if no one can listen to gurbani? Its a complete pakhand started by actual heretics. And since when do sikhs start using the Lutheranism era terminology to dissuade anyone against pakhand. Back then, anybody who challenged the pakhand in church was declared heretic. Martin Luther was proved right later. Please read his 95 theses or take some university level scientific history course. Galileo was convicted of heresy when he questioned the geocentric model of universe as explained by Bible. Church officials became more powerful than Bible and people shifted away from interpretation of Bible. Whatever church wished they did. Same thing is happening today. These pakhandis, sants, bhramgyanis, sadhs, etc. have hijacked Sikhi. And people are being convicted to heresy as you just pronounced your verdict. Is it a dictatorship that if one doesn't believe in the imposed belief one is a liar? Alas, human intelligence is way overstated.

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Bir'ay I think the reason Sarbjit Singh Khalsa (Dhunda) is disliked by Derawad Sant Samaj fans is the following video.

In it Dhunda was arguing that Sri Anandpur Sahib as the birthplace of the Khalsa Panth should hold more importance to Sikhs than yatra's and that Vaisakhi 1699 is absolutely central to what Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj's life history means to the Khalsa Panth (as opposed to the Dusht Daman theory supposedly in a previous life).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm8gxroldjA

So I think we should accord all our fellow Sikhs respect regardless of if Sri Anandpur Sahib is more resonant to them or if they prefer to go on yatra's, as we need to be mature enough to "agree to disagree" respectfully on such issues.

Dhunda Did His False Translation of Bachittar Natak.... Mahakaal Kaal Ka Aradi...

Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale Did Also... Which Contradicted Dhunda's And Explained that people are doing false translation...

(There is Audio Available I can Link)

Who will you listen to....

Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale.

Or

Sarbjit Singh Dhunda.

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No one is saying A Mortal Is Greater Than the Guru. Nor anything else of the Sort.



My point is.

Sant Jarnail Singh Ji was a Sant. Just look at how much Kamai They Have.

So their Word is Obviously going to carry more weight than just a random parcharak that is already known for wrong views.
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No one is saying A Mortal Is Greater Than the Guru. Nor anything else of the Sort.

My point is.

Sant Jarnail Singh Ji was a Sant. Just look at how much Kamai They Have.

Lets take a step back and ponder as to how the word Sant became a prefix in Sikhi. The word "saint" originated in Christianity. After the fall of Sikh Raj, the term got associated with people in Sikhi. You won't find anybody with that title before that time. Can anybody have more 'kamai' (as you refer it to) than Bhai Mardana who spent his entire life in shadow of dhan guru nanak dev ji maharaj? Why not Sant Mardana? Bhai Gurdas. Bhai Mani Singh. Bhai Taru Singh. Bhai Dayala. Bhai Sati Das. Bhai Mati Das. Bhai Bachittar Singh. The list is endless. Guru Sahb was present in human form at that time, he could have bestowed any such title to the singhs mentioned above. But there is no place of such titles in Sikhi as there can be only one Sant that is Akal purakh and guru sahb himself. Note: Nobody is questioning the contribution of Baba/Bhai Jarnail Singh here to Sikh Panth. His name is in the same list of great singh soorme.

Coming back to the chronology of events, Britishers were first to introduce sainthood titles in Sikhi. It was done to separate sikhs from the gyan and free spirit sikhs got from guru granth sahb ji. For reference please read the entire book (I mean every page and word) "Papers relating to Punjab 1847-49, Presented to Both Houses of Parliament by Command of her majesty, may 1849", to understand the hostility of british raj towards sikh philosophy.

As to 'sant' and 'bhramgyani' shabad in sukhmani sahb, it has come only for Akal Purakh and Guru Sahb. Nobody is allowed to take those titles. If you walk into a university and find 100s of chancellors, who would you follow? There can only be 1 of them, just 1.

The only voice which carries "weight" in sikhi is that of Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

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If you don't believe in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib.

I don't think this forum is right for you. The Admins have a very clear policy on this.

Of course you should stay here learn explore give your opinion but not talk about Sri Dasam Granth if you are against it. Watch the video I linked earlier BTE

BTW**

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If you don't believe in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib.

I don't think this forum is right for you. The Admins have a very clear policy on this.

Of course you should stay here learn explore give your opinion but not talk about Sri Dasam Granth if you are against it. Watch the video I linked earlier BTE

BTW**

I think you are educated enough that you are using a computer, which means you can read and speak English. Can you please point out one word I have said about if I believe in Dasam Granth or not? Did I even refer to Dasam Granth?

Your whole base of discussion revolves around if someone believes in Dasam Granth or not. Even if the matter of discussion is "Is String Theory theoretically right?", you would definitely just say "What do you think about Dasam Granth?". Please read some book which explains how to debate and discuss. I can suggest you some if you want.

Why do you start another topic without rebutting/replying/quoting to what I said about the word 'Sant'. Your way is more like a zig-zagged approach. If someone gives some point, you put forward completely different point and so on. Topic is "Maun Vrat" and you drag it to Dasam Granth debate. Is that your home ground or something? Veerji please back your claims instead of free volleying. If you claim I am against Dasam Granth, prove it, otherwise take your words back.

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So you do beleive in Sri Dasam Granth I assume.

Cool.

As far as your belief for Sants goes.

I don't care.

Everyone had their beleifs.

Only reason I got involved was because I thought you were speaking about the bani .

And I was replying to SinghSabha lol.

So I guess it could be said I jumped the gun thinking you were discussing Sri Dasam Granth as well.

Clear things up mate ?

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