Chaupai Sahib Question

[Thanatos]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

Question for the sangat here regarding Chaupai Sahib. When reciting the bani what is the correct way of pronouncing this portion of it.

ਦੁਸ਼ਟ ਜਿਤੇ ਉਠਵਤ ਉਤਪਾਤਾ ॥ ਸਕਲ ਮਲੇਛ ਕਰੋ ਰਣ ਘਾਤਾ ॥੩੯੬॥

As you can see the first word Dusht has a bindi within it, however I have seen many Gutka Sahib which DON'T have this within it, Some do, some don't. The predicament has been weighing on my mind alot as I don't want to mispronounce gurbani, I'm already very imperfect and probably make millions of mistakes, if there is one I can stop I'd love to.

Dusht is a word used frequently in the bani so it's a pretty big concern of mine.

[simran345]

Paji have listened to the read along shabads on YouTube?

Listen to different raagis to see how they pronounce it.

Some links that may be of interest:

http://akjfaq.com/questions-about-akhand-kirtani-jatha/what-is-the-correct-way-to-pronounce-gurbani/

http://www.kaurlife.org/2014/10/07/learning-pronounce-gurbani/

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5UNLfJ1TsJm0OHEOslS3NOqGduHwggGg

This one has the lines you have quoted in it:

Are you attending a Gurbani Santhiya class?

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

Question for the sangat here regarding Chaupai Sahib. When reciting the bani what is the correct way of pronouncing this portion of it.

ਦੁਸ਼ਟ ਜਿਤੇ ਉਠਵਤ ਉਤਪਾਤਾ ॥ ਸਕਲ ਮਲੇਛ ਕਰੋ ਰਣ ਘਾਤਾ ॥੩੯੬॥

As you can see the first word Dusht has a bindi within it, however I have seen many Gutka Sahib which DON'T have this within it, Some do, some don't. The predicament has been weighing on my mind alot as I don't want to mispronounce gurbani, I'm already very imperfect and probably make millions of mistakes, if there is one I can stop I'd love to.

Dusht is a word used frequently in the bani so it's a pretty big concern of mine.

I just looked it up and surprisingly there are different spellings with some from what I expected, (I thought there was a Bindi; however all the online versions I've checked so far have been without the Bindi.) Where did you copy the version with the Bindi on it?

[Thanatos]

I just looked it up and surprisingly there are different spellings with some from what I expected, (I thought there was a Bindi; however all the online versions I've checked so far have been without the Bindi.) Where did you copy the version with the Bindi on it?

From SikhiWiki, It's also present in multiple Gukta's I have at home and also in some apps, that's why im confused, because that bindi changes the pronunciation of it completely.

Paji have listened to the read along shabads on YouTube?

Listen to different raagis to see how they pronounce it.

Some links that may be of interest:

http://akjfaq.com/questions-about-akhand-kirtani-jatha/what-is-the-correct-way-to-pronounce-gurbani/

http://www.kaurlife.org/2014/10/07/learning-pronounce-gurbani/

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5UNLfJ1TsJm0OHEOslS3NOqGduHwggGg

This one has the lines you have quoted in it:

Are you attending a Gurbani Santhiya class?

I was at a time but work caught up to me, though I think in this case I should manage it there.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

From SikhiWiki, It's also present in multiple Gukta's I have at home and also in some apps, that's why im confused, because that bindi changes the pronunciation of it completely.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! I've just seen another PDF with there being a Bindi, (I can understand the confusion), in other parts of the bani there are no bindis under the "Sassa", making it Dust or Dusht in pronunciation. But for complete accuracy I'd recommend the doing "sh" as the Sundar Gutka has it. Vaheguru, bhul chuk maaf, if I made any mistakes, Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

[Thanatos]

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! I've just seen another PDF with there being a Bindi, (I can understand the confusion), in other parts of the bani there are no bindis under the "Sassa", making it Dust or Dusht in pronunciation. But for complete accuracy I'd recommend the doing "sh" as the Sundar Gutka has it. Vaheguru, bhul chuk maaf, if I made any mistakes, Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Yeah I thought as much, in many other places it's Dust and then at that point in some gutka sahib it changes to Dusht, Would greatly appreciate it if someone could clear it up though

[jassa]

Sase per bindi (ਸ਼) was invented and added to gurmukhi far later. Original punjabi had no such alphabet.

[Thanatos]

Sase per bindi (ਸ਼) was invented and added to gurmukhi far later. Original punjabi had no such alphabet.

Is that the same case for Jijhi per bindi too? ਜ਼ <-- this little man here.

If so then I'm making more mistakes than I can account for, the Sundar Gutka app has it in there too.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Sase per bindi (ਸ਼) was invented and added to gurmukhi far later. Original punjabi had no such alphabet.

Is that in the Taksal Gutka? Daas wants to know; since their knowledge of pronunciation is the highest from the other places. (Originally founded by Guru Sahib to teach people Gurbani).

[jassa]

There is no ਸ਼ ਜ਼ etc in Guru Granth sahib. But they are used in Gutkas.