Thyar bar thyar vs the envuronsment

[Guest Singh1999]

Wjkk wjkf. Is the environment more important to sikhs then to be thyar bar thyar (ready upon ready). Now it is no question every sikh, Whether they are a singh or singhni, should keep shastars on them, such as the kirpan which dasm patshah gave us, and encourage brothers and sisters to even buy a gun and be trained in the use of guns and other martial arts (including gatka). But the guru sahib also told us to keep and train in korsvari or horseback so we can use this skill in battle. The modern equivelant of a horse (because horses would be useless in todays conflicts)for battle would be a jeep. But the environmental impacts of the jeep from its emissions damage the earth and lead to global warming. So is it better to get a more fuel efficient vehicle and care for the environment and sacrafice staying thyar bar thyar with a jeep. An example of this is guru hargobind sahib ji and guru har rai sahib ji. Guru hargobind sab ji started miri piri making us saints and then soldiers. And as saints we should take care of our surrounding environment. Or the story of how guru har rai sahib jis palla hit and broke a rose head and guru hargobind sahib ji said play and walk carefully and do not destroy gods creation. I just wanted to know what the khalsa panth thought about this idea, should sikhs stay thyar bar thyar and get vehicles like jeeps even with the impact of the environment or should sikhs be more environmentally friendly with the sacrifice of being thyar bar thyar. Bulla chuka kehma muaf. Wjkk wjkf

[BhForce 1,758]

Brother, don't take this the wrong way. I don't mean to be acerbic, but it seems you have fully imbibed the ideas floating around in eco-feminist Marxist milieus of higher education. If all of us were to have done so, there would have been no chance that our nation could ever have won any war, against the Mughals, the Afghans, or anybody else.

I think you are being entirely too imbued in shaant-ras. Now, while I don't think wholesale destruction of plant life is a good idea if there are other options, I don't think we have to worry about it in respect to such things as driving a truck or a jeep. I agree it's a tragedy to cut old trees just for the sake of it.

But not driving a truck because you're worried about a theoretical increase in pollution seems to be madness.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

You seem to be asking very subjective questions where you don't ackwolegde situations at hand. These are not objective answers, but if you were going to ask if a horse could compare to a jeep, riding a horse and driving a jeep are two totally unique experiences, that you can't compare. But being Tyar Byar Tyar and being environmentally compassionate are not mutually exclusive, you can do both. You could use electronic powered vehicles, or hybrid vehicles and still get stuff done. (But yes, it's irrational to compare riding a living animal, and driving an inanimate object, the skills you learn from riding a horse, will tell you more about yourself and your patience compared to the vehicle which will just tell you how to turn left or right or follow signs).

3 hours ago, BhForce said:

Brother, don't take this the wrong way. I don't mean to be acerbic, but it seems you have fully imbibed the ideas floating around in eco-feminist Marxist milieus of higher education. If all of us were to have done so, there would have been no chance that our nation could ever have won any war, against the Mughals, the Afghans, or anybody else.

I think you are being entirely too imbued in shaant-ras. Now, while I don't think wholesale destruction of plant life is a good idea if there are other options, I don't think we have to worry about it in respect to such things as driving a truck or a jeep. I agree it's a tragedy to cut old trees just for the sake of it.

But not driving a truck because you're worried about a theoretical increase in pollution seems to be madness.

What's wrong with Daya for the enviornment, don't change the topic from driving a jeep to not caring about what nature has. Same thing I said to O.P. they both aren't mutually exclusive, you can do both.