Thakur Dalip Singh Namdhari present head challenged RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat on his face

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Thakur Dalip Singh Namdhari present head challenged RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat on his face and said bluntly “ We Sikhs have independent  separate identity and it must remain independent. “ This one sentence clearly shows Dalip Singh’s stand about separate Sikh religion.  In words, He told Mohan Bhagwat we are not Hindus and cannot be merged in Hindus.

[BhForce 1,127]

48 minutes ago, mankeerat said:

Thakur Dalip Singh Namdhari present head challenged RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat on his face and said bluntly “ We Sikhs have independent  separate identity and it must remain independent. “ This one sentence clearly shows Dalip Singh’s stand about separate Sikh religion.  In words, He told Mohan Bhagwat we are not Hindus and cannot be merged in Hindus.

It might be nice if you had presented a link to an article instead of just asking us to take it on your word.

[Guest]

He also said he was going to convert from Namdhari to mainstream Khalsa, haven't seen that happen yet...

[SuchaSoorma 2]

These namdharis are not Sikhs. They say a lot but in the end but dont't follow through. They might say they are not hindus but they also pratice so many hindu rituals such as aarti standing up with thaals and they also do havans. If they were truly against the RSS and Hinduism they would start practicing actual SIkhi given to us not this Brahmin one they follow.

[mankeerat 0]

On 4/6/2018 at 3:02 PM, BhForce said:

It might be nice if you had presented a link to an article instead of just asking us to take it on your word.

Yes Please check, he has said directly on the face of RSS head Mohan Bhagwat.

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[DayaKaur 3]

14 hours ago, SuchaSoorma said:

These namdharis are not Sikhs. They say a lot but in the end but dont't follow through. They might say they are not hindus but they also pratice so many hindu rituals such as aarti standing up with thaals and they also do havans. If they were truly against the RSS and Hinduism they would start practicing actual SIkhi given to us not this Brahmin one they follow.

Please first clarify the definition of Sikh and Hindu. Who is Sikh? Who is Hindu? Please explain this. Ritual of Aarti is also carried out in Hazoor Sahib too. Aren't they Sikhs? And also in many more Gurudwaras disciples perform Aarti. Aren't they Sikhs? Our Gurus while elevating successor of Guru Gaddi, always put some coins and one coconut. Aren't they Sikhs? Please clarify.

[DayaKaur 3]

14 hours ago, SuchaSoorma said:

These namdharis are not Sikhs. 

Has guru nanak dev and guru gobind singh ji said that I am sikh, is it written in any gurbani in sri guru granth sahib ji? Has guru nanak dev ji and guru gobind singh ji said ever that I belong only to the Sikhs or I am only the guru of the Sikhs? any answer according to the gurbani? 

[DayaKaur 3]

On 4/6/2018 at 3:31 PM, monatosingh said:

He also said he was going to convert from Namdhari to mainstream Khalsa, haven't seen that happen yet...

Earlier, also namdharis were khalsa, and today as well they are Khalsa. Dalip Singh never preached that he'll convert namdharis into khalsa. Though he narrow down the distance by preaching them to wear kirpan and greet each other with fateh "waheguru ji ka Khalsa waheguru ji ki Fateh". Also, he made namdharis to do sewa at Annadpur Sahib , Pounta Sahib and Patna Sahib. What more is needed? Lastly, please clarify us the definition of khalsa as described by Guru Granth Sahib ji.

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2 hours ago, DayaKaur said:

Has guru nanak dev and guru gobind singh ji said that I am sikh, is it written in any gurbani in sri guru granth sahib ji? Has guru nanak dev ji and guru gobind singh ji said ever that I belong only to the Sikhs or I am only the guru of the Sikhs? any answer according to the gurbani? 

In order to have a conversation, can you state whether you are a Namdhari, and if so, to which group do you belong?

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Ram Singh was not the only person who was known as "Guru" among his sangat.

After the demise of Guru Gobind Singh ji, there was quite frequent "siapa" among the Sikh communities of the Indian Subcontinent as to who was the next Guru, although Guru Gobind Singh ji had bestowed the Guruship to Adi Granth Sahib ji. Sources indicate people like Banda Singh (disputed), some Ajit Singh (and his sons) who lived near Delhi and who was thought to be a "son" of Guru Gobind Singh ji (modern historians say he was adopted by Guru ji)- which is quite contradictory, considering that there is a manuscript written in Persian that says he died in Rajasthan fighting in a skirmish between Sikhs and Rajput Castle Guards, during Guru Gobind Singh ji's way to Nanded with Bahadur Shah).  After the 1750s, Sikhs seem to have universally agreed on having Guru Granth Sahib as the 11th and eternal Guru.

Before the end of the Sikh empire, the title "Guru" was used quite frequently, even among the Sikhs, despite the fact that all Sikhs revered the ten Gurus and Guru Granth Sahib. Even today, kids that learn tabla and other instruments often refer to their teachers as "Gurus". So, Maybe it was used just for teachers and saints, as back then Sikhs and Hindus shared many practises, whilst the 11 original Sikh Gurus were distinguished?  Maybe the modern Namdharis have been misled to believe that their Guru-line is the real one? Maybe Ram Singh was intended to be a Saint, but later on his successors broke away? 

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2 hours ago, 5akaalsingh said:

Ram Singh was not the only person who was known as "Guru" among his sangat.

After the demise of Guru Gobind Singh ji, there was quite frequent "siapa" among the Sikh communities of the Indian Subcontinent as to who was the next Guru, although Guru Gobind Singh ji had bestowed the Guruship to Adi Granth Sahib ji. Sources indicate people like Banda Singh (disputed), some Ajit Singh (and his sons) who lived near Delhi and who was thought to be a "son" of Guru Gobind Singh ji (modern historians say he was adopted by Guru ji)- which is quite contradictory, considering that there is a manuscript written in Persian that says he died in Rajasthan fighting in a skirmish between Sikhs and Rajput Castle Guards, during Guru Gobind Singh ji's way to Nanded with Bahadur Shah).  After the 1750s, Sikhs seem to have universally agreed on 

Before the end of the Sikh empire, the title "Guru" was used quite frequently, even among the Sikhs, despite the fact that all Sikhs revered the ten Gurus and Guru Granth Sahib. Even today, kids that learn tabla and other instruments often refer to their teachers as "Gurus". So, Maybe it was used just for teachers and saints, as back then Sikhs and Hindus shared many practises, whilst the 11 original Sikh Gurus were distinguished?  Maybe the modern Namdharis have been misled to believe that their Guru-line is the real one? Maybe Ram Singh was intended to be a Saint, but later on his successors broke away? 

'Ajit' Singh was adopted by Mata Sundari ji after Guru Pita ji went towards Nanded after Talwandi Sabo so was never really acknowledged as anything more than an adopted son who made a name for disappointing his mother and showing arrogance .

 

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56 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

'Ajit' Singh was adopted by Mata Sundari ji after Guru Pita ji went towards Nanded after Talwandi Sabo so was never really acknowledged as anything more than an adopted son who made a name for disappointing his mother and showing arrogance .

 

But there is a contemporary Mughal source that claims he died in Rajasthan, while later Sikh and non-Sikh sources both verify his existence and Guru claims. Most likely he lived to become a fake Guru. Quite ungrateful guy, indeed

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22 hours ago, SuchaSoorma said:

These namdharis are not Sikhs. They say a lot but in the end but dont't follow through. They might say they are not hindus but they also pratice so many hindu rituals such as aarti standing up with thaals and they also do havans. If they were truly against the RSS and Hinduism they would start practicing actual SIkhi given to us not this Brahmin one they follow.

I do aarti aarta standing up with thaals, infront of my shastar prakash, and so do lots of other Nihangs. It was puratan rehat until the British attempted to change everything (which they did). (Hence why they teach colonial Sikhism at school).

[SuchaSoorma 2]

21 hours ago, DayaKaur said:

Please first clarify the definition of Sikh and Hindu. Who is Sikh? Who is Hindu? Please explain this. Ritual of Aarti is also carried out in Hazoor Sahib too. Aren't they Sikhs? And also in many more Gurudwaras disciples perform Aarti. Aren't they Sikhs? Our Gurus while elevating successor of Guru Gaddi, always put some coins and one coconut. Aren't they Sikhs? Please clarify.

Sikh is someone who follows the teaching of the 10 gurus.A hindu is people who believe in devtaey, aartis, etc. No the hazur sahib people won't be sikhs. they have gone so far from true sikhi that they are basically hindus. they rely on these karam kand elements of religion. They have gone away from the true message and root of sikhi. Gurus put coins and coconut I didn't say that was wrong. You can doubt what the gurus did, you can't compare them to regular sikhs. The gurus also never did any aarti standing up. Guru Ji set the aarti to be sung in kirtan form like how other shabad are sung (i.e on a stage).