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1 hour ago, IronLion said:


I was curious if there are any groups of followers of Guru Nanak who do not necessarily follow the teachings of the full Guru lineage. 

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh


1. Well there are people who, in their mind, accept the "peaceful" Guru Nanak ji, but not the "warlike" Guru Gobind Singh ji.

They would mostly describe themselves as Hindus. A lot of them go to gurdwaras in Delhi and Amritsar, and elsewhere. Some don't go to gurdwaras, but simply sometimes turn on the Gurbani channel on TV, and turn on Hindu devotional channels other times.

But there are also other Hindus who respect Guru Gobind Singh ji but don't desire to be "full-time" Sikhs.

2. There are an exceedingly small number of "Sikhs" who think that Guru Nanak Dev ji didn't pass on the Guruship so the other 9 Gurus are illegitimate (and by extension so is Guru Granth Sahib ji). These people are out of their minds.

3. There are the Sindhis, who were Hindus from the Sindh region now in Pakistan who were taught love of Guru Nanak ji and Gurbani by Sikh saints and preachers. They install and read Guru Granth Sahib ji but don't take Khanda Amrit or keep hair. Interestingly, LK Advani, former Indian BJP party #2, is a Sindhi.

4. Then there are "Sikh" splinter groups who depart from the Guru line when their own particular guru went off in a huff and a puff from the main Guru line. 

For example, the Meenas accepted the Guru line up to the 4th Guru Ramdas ji, but accepted their own Pirthi Chand in place of Guru Arjan Dev ji.

Similarly, the Ram Raiyas (followers of Ram Rai) accepted the Guru line upto the 7th Guru, but don't accept from the 8th forward.

Also, the followers of Sural Mal, who mounted an attack on Guru Teg Bahadur ji (9th Guru).

And the Naamdharis don't accept Guru Granth Sahib as Guru.


Sikhs believe that the jot (spirit) of all the 10 Gurus (and Guru Granth Sahib ji) is one.

About the unity of the Gurus, Guru Gobind Singh ji wrote that the saints know the Gurus are one, and the fools do not:


ਅਮਰ ਦਾਸ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਕਹਾਯੋ ॥

Amar Daasa Raamdaasa Kahaayo ॥

ਸਾਧਨ ਲਖਾ ਮੂੜ ਨਹਿ ਪਾਯੋ ॥੯॥

Saadhan Lakhaa Moorha Nahi Paayo ॥9॥

Amar Das was called Ram Das, only the saints know it and the fools did not.9.

ਭਿੰਨ ਭਿੰਨ ਸਭਹੂੰ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਨਾ ॥

Bhiaann Bhiaann Sabhahooaan Kari Jaanaa ॥

ਏਕ ਰੂਪ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਪਹਿਚਾਨਾ ॥

Eeka Roop Kinhooaan Pahichaanaa ॥

The people on the whole considered them as separate ones, but there were few who recognized them as one and the same.

ਜਿਨ ਜਾਨਾ ਤਿਨ ਹੀ ਸਿਧਿ ਪਾਈ ॥

Jin Jaanaa Tin Hee Sidhi Paaeee ॥

ਬਿਨੁ ਸਮਝੇ ਸਿਧਿ ਹਾਥਿ ਨ ਆਈ ॥੧੦॥

Binu Samajhe Sidhi Haathi Na Aaeee ॥10॥

Those who recognized them as One, they were successful on the spiritual plane. Without recognition there was no spiritual success.10.

ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ ਅ. ੫ - ੧੦/(੪) - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ

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18 hours ago, BhForce said:

Then there are "Sikh" splinter groups who depart from the Guru line when their own particular guru went off in a huff and a puff from the main Guru line. 

Like Naamdharis 

@MrDoaba is Triggered 

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