Declares Giani Gurdit Singh ‘tankhaiya’

[stopsingh]

hanjee i do agree with you but that's not the way it works in our history. Nobody can take the job of the akal takht. Jobs like declaring tankhaiya is the work of akal takht and this hukam is given by our guru sahib jee. The other 4 takhts job is to maintain the shrines in their own states and spread the prachar to their close region.

Takhts were not created to manage shrines.

Hukumnama have been issued from other Takht in the past which suggests they do have these powers which they should be able to exercise..

[Deep Singh]

Hukumnama have been issued from other Takht in the past which suggests they do have these powers which they should be able to exercise..

Yes, but never before has one jathedar threatend to declare the other jathedar a tankhaiya...that's the issue guys.

[stopsingh]

Hukumnama have been issued from other Takht in the past which suggests they do have these powers which they should be able to exercise..

Yes, but never before has one jathedar threatend to declare the other jathedar a tankhaiya...that's the issue guys.

Nothing wrong with that and it has been done in the past. Prof Manjit Singh, Jathedar Takht Sri Kesgarh Sahib, Giani Kewal Singh, Jathedar, Takht Sri Damdama Sahib were excommuncated by Giani Puran Singh when he was the Jathedar of the Akal Takht (March 2000).

[jagjit_waheguru]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Pyare jio, this all personal agendas. Jathedar Iqbal singh himself before was against raagmala. However he in his own quest for power had disputes with gursikhs like Talwara ji, Giani Gurdit singh, Jathedar Joginder singh, etc. I do not know what the disputes are were over.

But now he is just using this issue because he knows it will cause controversy and contention between the singhs and the Takhts. It is nothing but personal vendettas on Giani Iqbal singh agenda. He does not care about any raagmala issue. He just wants to use the opportunity to damage Jathedar Joginder Singh and Giani Gurdit singh.

The issues he has mentioned about badal maybe true. But there are so many RSS linked issues with Takht Patna sahib aswell. I know from relatives in Yuba City, told me when Giani Iqbal singh went there. Local sangat asked him to clarify the tables and chairs issue. His reply to the surprise of the sangat, is that he is not under the Akal thakt, his takht is separate. The sangat questioned that all Thakht know the supremacy of the Akal Thakht. He said no, his Takht is separate, and it has its own maryada. The sangat shocked at this and told him, if you do not accept supremacy of Akal Thakht then we do not accept you. This was a source for conflict in the local gurdwaras there.

Only the Akal thaht has the right to make Panthic decisions. especially important one like this. A decision like should only be done after a world sikh conference and a sarbat khalsa. It is not for one man to do, especially one man who has a history of personal vendettas against the others.

Waheguroo

Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Deep Singh]

Patna Jathedar not to attend Dec 8 meeting

Tribune News Service

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20041206/...6/punjab1.htm#7

Ludhiana, December 5

The Jathedar of Takht Patna Sahib, Giani Iqbal Singh, today said that he would not only boycott the meeting convened by Akal Takht Jathedar Joginder Singh Vedanti on December 8 but would also declare the latter a tankhaiya on December 10 if he failed to disassociate himself from Giani Gurdit Singh, author of the controversial book, “Mundavani”, by that time.

Jathedar Iqbal Singh was in the city to attend a samagam organised by Gurdwara Gur Gyan Parkash Sahib, Jawaddi Taksal, here today.

Toughening his stance, Giani Iqbal Singh said although he was pained at the decision to proceed against Jathedar Vedanti, he had no other option as the book had hurt the sentiments of the Panth. Casting aspersions on the Granth was a blasphemous act and cannot be forgiven, he stressed.

“Instead of urging the author to tender an unconditional apology, Jathedar Vedanti was allegedly instigating Giani Gurdit Singh to remain defiant and challenge the authority of Takht Patna Sahib.”

“I was informed that Jathedar Vedanti and Giani Gurdit Singh would be attending the samagam today and that the matter would be resolved amicably. It seems that the duo have decided to stick to their stand and have prepared themselves to face the consequences,” he pointed out.

“I will proclaim the hukumnama (edict) at 5 am on December 10 in case I receive no reply from both parties. Attending the December 8 meeting convened by Jathedar Vedanti is out

of the question as I have to leave for Patna tomorrow to fulfil some prior commitments. I had asked the Jathedar to advance the meeting but he refused to consider my request,” he added.

Commenting on the controversy, he said the book had created confusion in the minds of the community about Guru Granth Sahib which was intolerable. Giani Iqbal Singh said Jathedar Vedanti was trying to run away since he had no credible reply on the issue. In fact, some eminent personalities had tried to mediate but their efforts were thwarted by Jathedar Vedanti, he said.

The Jathedar reiterated his stand that all five Takhts were supreme since the 10th Guru of the Sikhs, Guru Gobind Singh, himself accepted the supremacy of Guru Granth Sahib only and had decreed that all matters concerning the Panth be decided by the Panj Pyaras. This meant that no decisions could be taken or implemented which did not have the concurrence of the Jathedars of the five Takhts, he stressed.

Replying to a query on why such differences had cropped up now when in the past all decisions were taken by the Akal Takht Jathedar, he said of late the Jathedars had started toeing the line of their political masters by misusing powers vested in them. Is it not true that the political masters have installed and removed Akal Takht Jathedars on their whims and fancies, he questioned.

[Deep Singh]

Mann backs tirade against Vedanti

Our Correspondent

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20041206/.../punjab1.htm#12

Phagwara, December 5

SAD (A) President Simranjit Singh Mann today lent support to the anti-Vedanti observations made by Giani Iqbal Singh, Jathedar, Takht Patna Sahib, describing these as bitter truths and food for thought among the Sikh diaspora.

In a press note issued here, Mr Mann demanded the discontinuation of the practice of presenting siropas (inside the sanctum sanctorum of the Golden Temple as well as at special functions organised by the SGPC at its information centre for anybody, including foreign dignitaries, as it went against the Sikh creed of egalitarianism.

Presenting swords and siropas to non-Sikhs, as had been done in case of Pakistan’s Punjab Chief Minister Pervaiz Elahi and BJP President L.K. Advani earlier, was against the law and Article 25 and could invite Arms Act provisions as the Constitution envisioned carrying of kirpan by Sikhs alone, he argued. Presenting siropas to members of the Badal family degraded the concept of siropas, he asserted.

Mr Mann asserted that the Patna Sahib Jathedar had raised right points. He agreed with Giani Iqbal Singh that the Jathedar, Akal Takht, Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti, had been partial in awarding tankhah to SAD President Parkash Singh Badal and ignoring the issue of Ms Surinder Kaur Badal visiting the dera of Ashutosh of Noormehal. He supported Giani Iqbal Singh for excommunicating Giani Gurdit Singh for authoring the book ‘Mundavni’. Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti should answer all queries rais

ed by the Patna Sahib Jathedar and clarify his role in the controversial book, demanded Mr Mann.

[s s Jhamka]

vaheguru ji ka khalsa

vaheguru ji ki fateh

what happened to the rule not discussion on Sri Raag Mala.

these issuess are used to divide the panth even more. vadanti and co r not true Jathadars they elected by the sgpc. the Sarbat Khalsa 1986 disbanned the sgpc and said only Sarbat khalsa can elect Jathadars

the present 'jathadars' are just puppets of GOI or badal. the singhs in the 80's even tired to kill the socalled jathadars' then.

lets try to work on what the shaheeds are laid down for us and not look at these low lifes who cant control a herd of sheep

sukdev

[Deep Singh]

Jathedar Vedanti offers conditional resignation

Varinder Walia

Tribune News Service

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20041208/punjab1.htm

Amritsar, December 7

Giani Iqbal Singh, Jathedar Takht Patna Sahib, has alleged that Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti, Jathedar Akal Takht, threatened to get him killed, whereas the latter has said the allegation is baseless and he would step down as Jathedar if the charge is proved .

While Jathedar Iqbal Singh told The Tribune that Jathedar Akal Takht had called him up “at least 10 times” and said he (Jathedar Patna Sahib) could be liquidated by the Sikh sangat if any action was taken against Giani Gurdit Singh , author of controversial book -Mundavni, Jathedar Vedanti described the allegations baseless. He alleged that he had to leave the religious function held at Ludhiana two days ago half way as Jathedar Vedanti wanted to gherao him.

The confrontation between the two Jathedars are likely to dominate the proceedings of a meeting of Sikh clergy, called by Akal Takht for tomorrow. Though Jathedar Vedanti personally talked to Jathedar Iqbal Singh to attend the meeting, the latter refused to oblige.

Jathedar Vedanti said he was shocked at the allegation. Jathedar Iqbal Singh should not stoop down to such a level. This was not expected of someone who held such a high position. He offered to step down from his position, in case Jathedar Iqbal Singh proved the allegation, he said.

He reiterated that all Takhts enjoyed equal status and hence Akal Takht was not supreme. Jathedar Iqbal Singh alleged that the efforts to establish Akal T

akht as supreme had already caused a split in the Sikh Panth for which Jathedar Vedanti was responsible .

He sought immediate resignation from Jathedar Vedanti . He reiterated that Takht Patna Sahib was authorised to declare any Sikh as ‘tankhaiya’. Jathedar Iqbal Singh alleged that Jathedar Vedanti was ‘unable’ to give proper leadership to the Sikh Panth and allowed his close relative Mr Prithipal Singh Sandhu to attend the meetings of Sikh clerics against the Sikh Maryada.

He alleged that though the SGPC had terminated the services of Mr Sandhu following serious allegations, he continued to work as personal assistant to Jathedar Vedanti. He asked the SGPC to probe under what capacity Mr Sandhu had been ‘dictating’ to the Sikh clergy during the meetings.

The two Jathedars are locked in a confrontation with Jathedar Iqbal Singh saying that he would not attend the meeting of all Jathedars called by Akal Takht to discuss various issues, including the book Mundavani, till Giani Vedanti was Jathedar of Akal Takht.

He alleged that Jathedar Vedanti had managed to make certain citizens of the USA to complain against him that he had visited Gurdwara, Yuba City, USA, where ‘langar’ was served on tables and chairs in violation of the edict issued from Akal Takht .

He justified the way in which langar was served there. He, however, alleged that Jathedar Vedanti and other Jathedars had visited the houses of office-bearers of the Gurdwara Committee, Yuba City, which too was a violation of the edict .

Jathedar Iqbal Singh admitted that Jathedar Vedanti, Giani Gurdit Singh and Mohan Singh Guard had carried out research on ‘Mundavni’ in his presence. He admitted that his photograph with the Jathedar Vedanti and author of Mundavni was genuine and not doctored. However, he said he was ignorant about the ‘intention’ of Jathedar Vedanti, Mr Guard and Giani Gurdit Singh.

Meanwhile, Jathedar Iqbal Singh has called an emergency meeting of Sikh clergy at Patna Sahib for tomorrow to c

onsider the ‘request’ of Jathedar Vedanti who wanted the postponement of the action, proposed to be taken against him on December 10. He, however, said Jathedar Vedanti could not be given relaxation unless he submitted a written request.

Giani Gurdit Singh to appear before clergy today

Tribune News Service

Amritsar, December 7

Giani Gurdit Singh , author of the controversial book Mundawni, will appear before the Sikh high priests at Akal Takht secretariat tomorrow. He will file his petition with the Sikh clergy. Earlier, Giani Gurdit Singh was declared ‘Tankhaiya’ by Takht Patna Sahib.

It is reliably learnt that Giani Gurdit Singh will plead that Takht Patna Sahib had no authority to declare any Sikh ‘tankhahiya’.

[Deep Singh]

Two Jathedars to boycott meet

Kuldeep Mann

Amritsar, December 7

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/5922_11...02000000000.htm

TAKHT PATNA Sahib Jathedar Iqbal Singh and Takht Hazoor Sahib Jathedar Kulwant Singh have decided to boycott the crucial meeting of five Sikh high priests to be held at the Akal Takht secretariat tomorrow to resolve the controversy over the book “Mundawni”.

Confirming this, the Jathedars of the two Takhts outside Punjab have expressed unflinching solidarity over the issue. Jathedar Iqbal Singh refused to budge from his stand of seeking an explanation on the matter from Akal Takht Jathedar Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti. “His failure to do so by December 10 would invite action as warranted by the traditions of Takht Patna Sahib,” he asserted.

Giani Kulwant Singh said he fully supported the action taken by the Takht Patna Sahib clergy to excommunicate Giani Gurdit Singh, author of “Mundawni”.

While excommunicating Giani Gurdit Singh for mentioning in his book that the Ragmala was not part of Gurbani, the Takht Patna Sahib clergy had asked Vedanti to explain why he had helped the author in compiling the book.

With the controversy leading to an unprecedented conflict between the Jathedars of Takht Patna Sahib and Akal Takht, all eyes are now on tomorrow's meeting. To ensure an amicable solution to the problem, Vedanti has reportedly taken the advice of some senior Panthic leaders and scholars. Sources said possibilities to resolve the issue without compromising on the supreme authority of Akal Takht were being explored.

However, being the Jathedar of the supreme temporal seat, it is unlikely that Vedanti will offer an explanation to the clergy of Takht Patna Sahib.

Ironically, Vedanti finds himself in an awkward situation now. He knows his timely intervention could have prevented the damage caused to Panthic institutions. Experts on Sikh affairs question that if Vedanti had felt that it was a Panthic issue involving the interests of the community, why did he not try to resolve it at the level of Akal Takht in the past six months.

The Takht Patna Sahib clergy had issued summons to Giani Gurdit Singh on June 19. However, the deadline of July 20 fixed for his personal appearance before Takht Patna Sahib had to be revised twice due to his ill health. Sikh scholars feel that Vedanti had ample time and opportunity to transfer the case from Takht Patna Sahib to Akal Takht. Ironically, Vedanti also failed to capitalise on last year’s hukamnama, wherein the five high priests had unanimously decided that the Akal Takht was supreme and empowered to discuss matters involving the community.

Former Akal Takht Jathedar Bhai Ranjit Singh held Vedanti solely responsible for the current crisis. Former SGPC secretary Manjit Singh Calcutta advised that the clergy should not compromise on the supremacy of Akal Takht while resolving the issue.

[Deep Singh]

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http://www.ajitjalandhar.com/20041208/general.htm

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