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Sikhi is about learning not preaching. You start preaching you loose your sikhi because you are NOT a sikh anymore. You have violated the definiton of a Sikh. (Learner). How can a learner be a preacher or teacher. So those of you out there that they can confront others are not sikhs. It is not about confrontation. It is about being a sikh so that people associate with you because of your sikhi and they gain something which they feel they dont have and they can themselves learn from you. Ten men can take a horse to water but even hundred men cannot make it drink. So I will repeat again if you like being hated then go and confront people and in your head you can think that you are being a sikh. Actually you are NOT being a sikh (learner). You are violating the basic definition of a SIKH by being a preacher.

Ermmmm...so if you know someone is doing something wrong ~(breaking their rehat)....you feel that you shouldn't tell them....as you wont be a sikh anymore....WOW what logic rolleyes.gif

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You can tell them but NOT confront them.

And about the katha by granthis everyone knows how much effect it is having.

Talking about punjab every village has 3-4 Gurdware sahib. Every evening there is katha.

Now every village in punjab has atleast 5-6 theke (liqour vends) and numerous bhuki centers (cannabis vendors).

Preachers are preaching and there is no effect. It is for you to watch and decide whether sikhi is about preaching.

Ten men can take a horse to water but even hundred men cannot make it drink.

I will repeat sikhi is about learning and practcing what you learn from your guroo. When the pupil learns and practices the guroo is happy then and showers his blessings (mehar+kirpa) which makes the pupil motivated to learn more and progress as a learner throughout his life.

Our guroo sahibaan threw out the preacher class and the bad fate is that presently the preacher class has again emerged in sikhi.

PS This can be moved to a new thread as it is going way off the confronting and facial hair topic.

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:wub: @ Forgive me,

But just a couple of things. We've grown up in a society today where we start to accept things that the West accepts. The mind is the most powerful tool we have, and most of the time, can really prevent us from walking the path.

The thing is the mind - the mind tells us that it is acceptable to do something in the Western society in which we live, and therefore, it is acceptable in our Sikhi - we start to break down the barriers of rehet, so they suit us - I too am included in this.

They key is education, with piyaar - without piyaar for our sikhi, we'll get no where.

The issue of make up has been going on for so many years - females feel that once they take amrit, does not mean they can't wear make up and look beautiful, albeit for the outside world - for very few, including myself - notice the real beauty that lies within the soul of an Amrithdhari Gursikh - what we tend to forget is Guru Sahib gave us this roop - their very own roop - but we live in such a world today that we, myself especially, start to feel uncomfortable in this roop. We try to change it, and find excuses to suit our needs. This isn't a culture divide, or a pot of cultures where you can mix a bit of east with a bit of west.

This is Sikh - not a religion but a way of life... what a lot of brothers and sisters, and I myself forget is that you don't give youe head just that once - you have to give your head every day for the rest of your life - this includes following your rehet, which would clearly sta

te:

surmwidk iSMgwr nihN nihN pr qrunI sMig

suramaadhik shi(n)gaar nehi(n) nehi(n) par tharunee sa(n)gi

Do not wear make-up or jewellery. Do not commit adultery.

Education is yet again the key - the same as when we go to the Gurudwara - first we must ensure that just because we are educated in something, or know of something, that we do not intentionally look for the fault in others who are not aware of it.

We can never assume, just by body language that someone is flirting - at the same time, it's not always something innocent. There is a way in which you can approach someone, and if this is met with hostility, the only thing you can do is an ardaas, Maharaj, please bless my brothers and sisters with samat, and bless me with the samat to ignore this or the strength, courage and way in which I can ensure I do your seva right. pray.gif Guru Sahib listens... and who know's who's ardaas will be the one to effect the minds of people we don't even know??

As for the bleaching of hair - I remember a few years back talking with an Amritdhari bibi about hair removal etc, I, like Anjaan phenji am the first to admit that this is one of the things that really prevents me from walking the path :@ @ Only Guru Sahib can bring the mind round, and that is through bani - but when talking about this to other Gursikhs, they have always told me that it's okae "Cos you can bleach" - but this is not the case - you must keep yourself the same way as Guru Sahib intended - we can't bring down the barriers to suit our needs - not at all - Kesh is a den - a gift, Guru Gobind Singh Ji's gift to us, yet living the way we are - we're too ashamed to walk with it. :@ @

It's all about individuals bringing their minds round, to do this, one must do bhagti - cos no society, no culture and no human will be able to help that mind from turning towards your Guru...!!!

We never count ourselves lucky that Vaheguru Ji didn't put an eyebrow on our cheek, instead, we, me too, couldn't wait to make the ones that give our face realy beauty thinner, more shapely to attract what? Kaam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh, Hunkaar... :@ @ :@ @ :@ @ :@ @ :@ @

Think I have gone off for too long, I apologise.

Forgive me for my many mistakes...

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good post YSL

It is all about piyaar.........

The panthic thekedaars who think they can make people do things by confronting them will just get hated and they will create hatred in the minds of the people they confront because these thekedars also wear sikhi saroop and actually propogate the wrong image of sikhs (as sikhs being in confrontation). Sikhi is about prem piyaar and confrontation is the last resort against the enemy. Now-a-days sikhs are confronting the sikhs.....Sign of pure kalyug.

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Sikhi is about learning not preaching. You start preaching you loose your sikhi because you are NOT a sikh anymore. You have violated the definiton of a Sikh. (Learner). How can a learner be a preacher or teacher. So those of you out there that they can confront others are not sikhs. It is not about confrontation. It is about being a sikh so that people associate with you because of your sikhi and they gain something which they feel they dont have and they can themselves learn from you. Ten men can take a horse to water but even hundred men cannot make it drink. So I will repeat again if you like being hated then go and confront people and in your head you can think that you are being a sikh. Actually you are NOT being a sikh (learner). You are violating the basic definition of a SIKH by being a preacher.

Ermmmm...so if you know someone is doing something wrong ~(breaking their rehat)....you feel that you shouldn't tell them....as you wont be a sikh anymore....WOW what logic rolleyes.gif

Just my view blush.gif

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You can tell them but NOT confront them.

And about the katha by granthis everyone knows how much effect it is having.

Talking about punjab every village has 3-4 Gurdware sahib. Every evening there is katha.

Now every village in punjab has atleast 5-6 theke (liqour vends) and numerous bhuki centers (cannabis vendors).

Preachers are preaching and there is no effect. it is for you to watch and decide whether sikhi is about preaching.

Ten men can take a horse to water but even hundred men cannot make it drink.

I will repeat sikhi is about learning and practcing what you learn from your guroo. When the pupil learns and practices the guroo is happy then and showers his blessings (mehar+kirpa) which makes the pupil motivated to learn more and progress as a learner throughout his life.

Our guroo sahibaan threw out the preacher class and the bad fate is that presently the preacher class has again emerged in sikhi.

PS This can be moved to a new thread as it is going way off the confronting and facial hair topic

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