Evolution

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Do Sikhs belive in it? Gurbani quotes Please to be used if possible.

[Guest Papi]

this outta be informative :D

[kaur_khalistani_lioness]

this outta be informative :D

aawww darnnn! i thougt i was gonna get to read some good stuff but even ur reply is :..: :sady: (no hope?) ok ok i'll be patient!!!

[sikh supreme]

Basically Sikhs believe that God (waheguru) created the whole universe. Earth while being in the universe is a creation of God and all the life on earth is a creation of God. It does not matter to a Sikh whether earth was created in seven days or it evolved in 4 billion years.

If the earth was created then God created the earth and if the earth was evolved then God created the evolution of the earth. In addition, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji states remarkable information about the universe, galaxies, stars, planets and the moons. None of the information written in the scripture contradicts with the scientific facts. Furthermore, nothing in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji can be disproved with the help of science. However, scientific facts support the teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

[sikh supreme]

But if you disbelieve in evolution then explain how viruses, in a short period of time, are able to adopt / mutate in order to become more verilant and attack the bodys immune system ... that is a process of evolution.. even if it is on a microscopic level. As for the abrahamic creationist theory of God making this world in 6-8 days then how does it explain the variety of animals and plants on earth. When it is said in their faiths that the whole world was flooded and noah using a ark took all the animals in that to preserve them. How does it explain the vast amount of species that now inhabit the earth, when noah's ark could no way support so many different kinds of wildlife that we have today.

Evolution theory, as in there was nothing before big bang, is also false according to Sikhism. As the timeless Lord, was here before the big bang, is in the present and will be here long before you and I along with this universe is long gone. Sikhism has a more common sense approach to these matters focusing on more where we heading not where we come from.

[jassa]

the discription how god created universe given by guru nanak dev ji is almost same a big bang theory ...... but what is evolution ???? in punjabi

[Guest Papi]

this outta be informative :D

awww darnnn! i thougt i was gonna get to read some good stuff but even ur reply is :..: :sady: (no hope?) ok ok i'll be patient!!!

sorry bhenji, contrary to what some people believe , i dont know that much :devil:

buh here's a little something by bhai gurdaas jee. this topic intrigues me and i'll continue my search until i find something :D or maybe someone who already knows can post related gurbani tuks *hint hint*

EAMkwr Awkwr kr eyk kvwau pswau pswrw]

oua(n)kaar aakaar kar eaek kavaao pasaao pasaaraa||

All prevading Oankar through His One Word created the whole expansive cosmos.

pMc q`q prvwn kr Gt Gt AMdr iqRBvn swrw]

pa(n)ch thaath paravaan kar ghatt ghatt a(n)dhar thribhavan saaraa||

Through the five elements, as the quintessence He permeated in the three worlds and their denominations.

kwdr ikny n liKAw kudrq swj kIAw Avqwrw]

kaadhar kinae n lakhiaa kudharath saaj keeaa avathaaraa||

That creator could not be seen by anyone who to expand Himself created the infinite nature(prakrti).

iekdUM kudrq l`K kr l`K ibAMq AsMK Apwrw]

eikadhoo kudharath laakh kar laakh bia(n)th asa(n)kh apaaraa||

He made myriad forms of nature.

rom rom ivc riKEn kr bRhmMf kroV Sumwrw]

rom rom vich rakhioun kar brehama(n)dd karorr shumaaraa||

In His each one hair He gethered up millions of worlds.

ieks ieks bRhmMf ivc ds ds kr AOqwr auqwrw]

eikas eikas brehama(n)dd vich dhas dhas kar aathaar outhaaraa||

And then in one universe He comes in tens of forms.

kyqy byd ibAws kr keI kqyb mhMmd Xwrw]

kaethae baedh biaas kar kee kathaeb meha(n)madh yaaraa||

He has created many a dear personality such as Vedavyas and Muhammad dear to the Vedas and the Katebas respectively.

kudrq iek eyqw pwswrw ]ô]

kudharath eik eaethaa paasaaraa ||a||

How wonderfully the one nature has been expanded into many.

[Bored]

i started a topic on this b4, u gotta find it buddy

[Guest Papi]

found your topic. buh this is the only gurbani related post i could find in there :D

mwrU mhlw 1 ]

maaroo mehalaa 1 ||

Maaroo, First Mehla:

Arbd nrbd DuMDUkwrw ]

arabadh narabadh dhhu(n)dhhookaaraa ||

For endless eons, there was only utter darkness.

Drix n ggnw hukmu Apwrw ]

dhharan n gaganaa hukam apaaraa ||

There was no earth or sky; there was only the infinite Command of His Hukam.

nw idnu rYin n cMdu n sUrju suMn smwiD lgwiedw ]1]

naa dhin rain n cha(n)dh n sooraj su(n)n samaadhh lagaaeidhaa ||1||

There was no day or night, no moon or sun; God sat in primal, profound Samaadhi. ||1||

KwxI n bwxI paux n pwxI ]

khaanee n baanee poun n paanee ||

There were no sources of creation or powers of speech, no air or water.

Epiq Kpiq n Awvx jwxI ]

oupath khapath n aavan jaanee ||

There was no creation or destruction, no coming or going.

KMf pqwl spq nhI swgr ndI n nIru vhwiedw ]2]

kha(n)dd pathaal sapath nehee saagar nadhee n neer vehaaeidhaa ||2||

There were no continents, nether regions, seven seas, rivers or flowing water. ||2||

nw qid surgu mCu pieAwlw ]

naa thadh surag mashh paeiaalaa ||

There were no heavenly realms, earth or nether regions of the underworld.

dojku iBsqu nhI KY kwlw ]

dhojak bhisath nehee khai kaalaa ||

There was no heaven or hell, no death or time.

nrku surgu nhI jMmxu mrxw nw ko Awie n jwiedw ]3]

narak surag nehee ja(n)man maranaa naa ko aae n jaaeidhaa ||3||

There was no hell or heaven, no birth or death, no coming or going in reincarnation. ||3||

bRhmw ibsnu mhysu n koeI ]

brehamaa bisan mehaes n koee ||

There was no Brahma, Vishnu or Shiva.

Avru n dIsY eyko soeI ]

avar n dheesai eaeko soee ||

No one was seen, except the One Lord.

nwir purKu nhI jwiq n jnmw nw ko duKu suKu pwiedw ]4]

naar purakh nehee jaath n janamaa naa ko dhukh sukh paaeidhaa ||4||

There was no female or male, no social class or caste of birth; no one experienced pain or pleasure. ||4||

nw qid jqI sqI bnvwsI ]

naa thadh jathee sathee banavaasee ||

There were no people of celibacy or charity; no one lived in the forests.

nw qid isD swiDk suKvwsI ]

naa thadh sidhh saadhhik sukhavaasee ||

There were no Siddhas or seekers, no one living in peace.

jogI jMgm ByKu n koeI nw ko nwQu khwiedw ]5]

jogee ja(n)gam bhaekh n koee naa ko naathh kehaaeidhaa ||5||

There were no Yogis, no wandering pilgrims, no religious robes; no one called himself the master. ||5||

jp qp sMjm nw bRq pUjw ]

jap thap sa(n)jam naa brath poojaa ||

There was no chanting or meditation, no self-discipline, fasting or worship.

nw ko AwiK vKwxY dUjw ]

naa ko aakh vakhaanai dhoojaa ||

No one spoke or talked in duality.

Awpy Awip aupwie ivgsY Awpy kImiq pwiedw ]6]

aapae aap oupaae vigasai aapae keemath paaeidhaa ||6||

He created Himself, and rejoiced; He evaluates Himself. ||6||

nw suic sMjmu qulsI mwlw ]

naa such sa(n)jam thulasee maalaa ||

There was no purification, no self-restraint, no malas of basil seeds.

gopI kwnu n gaU guoAwlw ]

gopee kaan n goo guoaalaa ||

There were no Gopis, no Krishna, no cows or cowherds.

qMqu mMqu pwKMfu n koeI nw ko vMsu vjwiedw ]7]

tha(n)th ma(n)th paakha(n)dd n koee naa ko va(n)s vajaaeidhaa ||7||

There were no tantras, no mantras and no hypocrisy; no one played the flute. ||7||

krm Drm nhI mwieAw mwKI ]

karam dhharam nehee maaeiaa maakhee ||

There was no karma, no Dharma, no buzzing fly of Maya.

jwiq jnmu nhI dIsY AwKI ]

jaath janam nehee dheesai aakhee ||

Social class and birth were not seen with any eyes.

mmqw jwlu kwlu nhI mwQY nw ko iksY iDAwiedw ]8]

mamathaa jaal kaal nehee maathhai naa ko kisai dhhiaaeidhaa ||8||

There was no noose of attachment, no death inscribed upon the forehead; no one meditated on anything. ||8||

inMdu ibMdu nhI jIau n ijMdo ]

ni(n)dh bi(n)dh nehee jeeo n ji(n)dho ||

There was no slander, no seed, no soul and no life.

nw qid gorKu nw mwiCMdo ]

naa thadh gorakh naa maashhi(n)dho ||

There was no Gorakh and no Maachhindra.

nw qid igAwnu iDAwnu kul Epiq nw ko gxq gxwiedw ]9]

naa thadh giaan dhhiaan kul oupath naa ko ganath ganaaeidhaa ||9||

There was no spiritual wisdom or meditation, no ancestry or creation, no reckoning of accounts. ||9||

vrn ByK nhI bRhmx KqRI ]

varan bhaekh nehee brehaman khathree ||

There were no castes or social classes, no religious robes, no Brahmin or Kh'shaatriya.

dyau n dyhurw gaU gwieqRI ]

dhaeo n dhaehuraa goo gaaeithree ||

There were no demi-gods or temples, no cows or Gaayatri prayer.

hom jg nhI qIriQ nwvxu nw ko pUjw lwiedw ]10]

hom jag nehee theerathh naavan naa ko poojaa laaeidhaa ||10||

There were no burnt offerings, no ceremonial feasts, no cleansing rituals at sacred shrines of pilgrimage; no one worshipped in adoration. ||10||

nw ko mulw nw ko kwjI ]

naa ko mulaa naa ko kaajee ||

There was no Mullah, there was no Qazi.

nw ko syKu mswieku hwjI ]

naa ko saekh masaaeik haajee ||

There was no Shaykh, or pilgrims to Mecca.

reIAiq rwau n haumY dunIAw nw ko khxu khwiedw ]11]

reeath raao n houmai dhuneeaa naa ko kehan kehaaeidhaa ||11||

There was no king or subjects, and no worldly egotism; no one spoke of himself. ||11||

Bwau n BgqI nw isv skqI ]

bhaao n bhagathee naa siv sakathee ||

There was no love or devotion, no Shiva or Shakti - no energy or matter.

swjnu mIqu ibMdu nhI rkqI ]

saajan meeth bi(n)dh nehee rakathee ||

There were no friends or companions, no semen or blood.

Awpy swhu Awpy vxjwrw swcy eyho Bwiedw ]12]

aapae saahu aapae vanajaaraa saachae eaeho bhaaeidhaa ||12||

He Himself is the banker, and He Himself is the merchant. Such is the Pleasure of the Will of the True Lord. ||12||

byd kqyb n isMimRiq swsq ]

baedh kathaeb n si(n)mrith saasath ||

There were no Vedas, Korans or Bibles, no Simritees or Shaastras.

pwT purwx audY nhI Awsq ]

paat(h) puraan oudhai nehee aasath ||

There was no recitation of the Puraanas, no sunrise or sunset.

khqw bkqw Awip Agocru Awpy AlKu lKwiedw ]13]

kehathaa bakathaa aap agochar aapae alakh lakhaaeidhaa ||13||

The Unfathomable Lord Himself was the speaker and the preacher; the unseen Lord Himself saw everything. ||13||

jw iqsu Bwxw qw jgqu aupwieAw ]

jaa this bhaanaa thaa jagath oupaaeiaa ||

When He so willed, He created the world.

bwJu klw Awfwxu rhwieAw ]

baajh kalaa aaddaan rehaaeiaa ||

Without any supporting power, He sustained the universe.

bRhmw ibsnu mhysu aupwey mwieAw mohu vDwiedw ]14]

brehamaa bisan mehaes oupaaeae maaeiaa mohu vadhhaaeidhaa ||14||

He created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva; He fostered enticement and attachment to Maya. ||14||

ivrly kau guir sbdu suxwieAw ]

viralae ko gur sabadh sunaaeiaa ||

How rare is that person who listens to the Word of the Guru's Shabad.

kir kir dyKY hukmu sbwieAw ]

kar kar dhaekhai hukam sabaaeiaa ||

He created the creation, and watches over it; the Hukam of His Command is over all.

KMf bRhmMf pwqwl ArMBy gupqhu prgtI Awiedw ]15]

kha(n)dd brehama(n)dd paathaal ara(n)bhae gupathahu paragattee aaeidhaa ||15||

He formed the planets, solar systems and nether regions, and brought what was hidden to manifestation. ||15||

qw kw AMqu n jwxY koeI ]

thaa kaa a(n)th n jaanai koee ||

No one knows His limits.

pUry gur qy soJI hoeI ]

poorae gur thae sojhee hoee ||

This understanding comes from the Perfect Guru.

nwnk swic rqy ibsmwdI ibsm Bey gux gwiedw ]16]3]15]

naanak saach rathae bisamaadhee bisam bheae gun gaaeidhaa ||16||3||15||

O Nanak, those who are attuned to the Truth are wonderstruck; singing His Glorious Praises, they are filled with wonder. ||16||3||15||