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Some1 really pissd off eh.. Chill dude !

Nah tah hun 85% punjabi sikh bejurag farmaran nuh hun angrezi sikhni pehani ya? Punjabi basha he chalney ya punjab ch'.. angrezi banay firday vaday, doh second ac toh begaer nahi reh sakday vadday gallan karan walay Nah tah tuhanu kihnay bana tah khalistan da ambassador ? punjab deh singhaan neh naal nahi lagan dena tuhaday vargaeya akaar vich gumday firdaiya nuh. Sab nuh pata hona eh balaitey da incident sant bhinderanwalay deh naal???? santa neh keha c, Daafo ho javo apnay dollar leh keh, milna saday nal, jaan gal karney ya saday nal... teh sikh ban nah keh sangati roop ch' gal karo.. nationality card jaan dollar dikha keh nahi.. video veh haegey ya, labla apay jah keh !

Baharlay chup hovo. Jeh movement chalu te punjab deh rehan valay sikh nivaasi ne chalaney. Punjabi padni, likhni teh bolney aundi nahi te karday gallan vadiyan vadiyan !

Sirdar Mann is the only one who protested against this hinduvta anti-minority rath yatra. all newspaper, video, pictures are of mann group. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTXpPsVAVLE BTW, Where were these people who are infamous of giving self-promotional media conferences about dal khalsa or their partner in crime "Panch Pardani". None of them got arrested nor present @ bhatinda, ludhiana, amritsar and why is that so? Shows us that mann is the only one to stick with panth, rest of troublemakers will come and eventually erode away

missionary troll..

Waheguru jeee :respect:

Going in circles eh? 1 side saying that gurdwara management respect shaheeds and are allowing akhand path in their memory. other side is saying that gurdwara management at first refused to respect shaheeds of 1980's and someone verbally compared shaheed singh with indira witch. But both sides agree that they don't allow posters of shaheed singhs to be posted up on property. conclusion from 3rd party is that gurdwara management is not happy with kharkoo movement sympathizer. they also know their place where they stand and they may play around but would not dare them fully.point is that management don't like em but they have less power to stop em. indira gandhi path threat is probably spur of moment and bad example given by someone and probably realized it later on. How to solve it? other side is not organized nor a group nor a registered party so can't expect them to release anything in official writing but gurdwara management is an entity and they should release a statement to destroy such rumors (if they are). Make clear statement about respecting shaheed singhs example: bhai beant singh, satwant singh and kehar singh. if they do release that then this whole is false otherwise i will consider other party truth..

If i want to create followers.. i can go on to praise sant jarnail singh ji bhinderanwale and make few youtube videos about 1984 attack and having a decade long speech training under the mutli-millionaire bhapa and getting paid monthly. hell ya, it will be easy to fool sensitive naive people around the globe... Sant Bhinderanwalay jee became "attraction commodity" for these thugs. Jeh sant hunday teh ajj ehna saray bandaran nuh gadey charaey honi c !!! sangato take off your rose colored glasses and see the reality for god sake !!!

Never follow a person until you know him.. crazy how we never learned anything our history filled with so many traitors. Read below: Who is Harinder Singh and what is this SIkh Research INstidute in San Antonio TEXAS USA?? Is he starting a cult? Why is he changing accepted SIKH practises without consultiing with KHALSA PANTh??? USA based Sikh Research Institute commits Blasphemy Changing Ardas and Dohre in Syllabus ‘Sojhi’ Students Question Harinder Singh of Sikhri About Modifications of Sikh Prayer in his Sojhi Syllabus. Concerned parents pull out children from Khalsa School Freemont “I have decided to pull out my children from the Khalsa School at Freemont Gurdwara. The Sojhi syllabus should be recalled” said a parent, Rajendar Singh Fremont, California, USA - University of California, Berkeley students, alumni and Sikh community members questioned Harinder Singh, executive director of the Texas-based Sikh Research Institute (SIKHRI), at a guest lecture by him on 21st February 2009, about the modifications he has made to a daily Sikh prayers –ardas & dohera, the use of disrespectful language and the changes to pronunciations and spellings of Sikh words in the SIKHRI syllabus, called Sojhi . The students argued that these modifications were against current Sikh practices and it did not have the approval of the Sikh Panth. The Sojhi syllabus, which has been taught to Sikh children, has been sold for $5000 to an undisclosed number Gurudwaras' for Sunday School programs in North America . Parents who have discovered these modifications have decided to remove their children from the Sunday schools and blamed, firstly, Harinder Singh for not informing the Gurdwaras of the modifications; and secondly, the Gurdwaras for buying the syllabus without reviewing the content. Harinder Singh refused to answer the students who queried him about his syllabus and the organizers of the talk affiliated at Berkeley, Hardeep Dhillon, Bhavreet Gill, Rattanamol Singh, and Amritpan Sandhu, called in the University of California Police Department, who forced these students to leave the premises. Jasjit Singh, a non-student was instrumental in organizing the event and instigating the students to call police. Meanwhile, Harinder Singh or the SIKHRI board has not given any response to defend his position re the Sojhi syllabus. The Sohji syllabus is still available online at Sikh Research Institute. The distorted modifications of Sikh prayers and traditions in the syllabus are still available for sale with no comments posted for any corrections or any distortions The students noted that in the Sojhi syllabus the following modifications were made by Harinder Singh of SIKHRI: Sikhri Syllabus Sojhi eSnips Folder 1. The Dohera following the Ardaas has been changed from gurU gRMQ jI mwnIE pRgt gurW kI dyh[ Guru Granth Ji Maneo Pragat Gura ki Deh jo pRB ko imlbo cihh Koj sbd mih lyh[ Jo Prabh Ko Milbo Cheheh Khoj Shabad Mae Laeh to gurU ^wlsw mwnIAih prgt gurU kI dyh[ Guru Khlasa Maneeyeh Pargat Guru Ki Deh jo isK mo imlby cihh Koj ienhu mih lyhu[oo Jo Sikh Mo Milbae Cheheh Khoj Inho Maeh Lae As on Page 7-B-07 and also see 7-B-06 2. the reference to Nankana Sahib has been removed from the Sikh Ardas 3. The Sojhi syllabus uses disrespectful language when referring to the Sikh Guru Sahiban. 4. The pronunciations and spellings of Sikh terms has been changed eg Waheguru and Fateh are pronounced as Wahguru and Phatah; 5. Certain Gurbani tukks (Sikh prayers) have been called the 'Khalsa Anthem” without any authority from the Khalsa Panth.For detail analysis see the attachment “Some facts from Sojhi syllabus.doc” file (excerpts from reporter on: Sikhri Syllabus Sojhi eSnips Folder ) Harliv Singh, a student of history at Berkeley, said, “Harinder Singh from Sikh Research Institute has no right or authority to alter, truncate, or expand the form of the Sikh Ardaas. Alteration of the Sikh prayer without involving the Sarbat Khalsa is not acceptable. Neither SIKHRI nor Harinder Singh has the authority to modify the Dohera or pronunciations and spellings of Sikh words. These modifications will sow seeds of confusion amongst innocent children and undermine the Sunday School's role in education at Gurdwaras. The protest ended when organizers of the talk associated with Jakara group at Berkeley, Hardeep Dhillon, Bhavreet Gill, Rattanamol Singh, and Amritpan Sandhu, summoned the University of California Police Department, which prompted the removal of the protesters who questioned Harinder Singh’s curriculum. Simran Singh, a philosophy student at Berkeley said, “I, along with some concerned students and community members politely requested Harinder Singh to explain his changes to the Ardaas, but he didn’t answer us.. He avoided our questions. Event organizers eventually succeeded in silencing the questioners by calling the police.. At this point, those of us who had questioned Harinder Singh were escorted out and left the event. We had approached him to ask him, why he had made the above changes and under who’s authority did he make those changes?.” Simran further said, “We are shocked that the Gurudwaras in the USA and Canada have implemented the Sojhi syllabus, without realizing these modifications. All the Gurudwara managements should be alerted, especially where innocent children, the future of the Sikhs is involved. Khalsa Schools at the Gurudwaras are a place where the foundation of Sikhism for the children is introduced and not a place to seminate confusion” Amrit Kaur, a parent, from Fremont , said, “I am worried about the next generation getting mixed signals. I am surprised, even the Punjabi language has been distorted in this syllabus.” Rajendar Singh, a concerned parent from Fremont said, “I am very disappointed with the way the Sikh Research Institute, which purports to be non-profit to promote Sikh education, has changed the Sikh tradition based on their beliefs and have implemented this in the form of a curriculum. When my children made an attempt to correct him at his seminars, they were asked not to speak. I have decided to pull out my children from the Khalsa School at Fremont . The Sojhi syllabus should be recalled.” He also said, that , “the Gurudwara managements need to be alerted and made aware that such syllabus’s shouldn’t be implemented. The sangat’s money should be spent for educating the children for the Khalsa Sunday schools but not at the cost of traditions and certainly not at the level of school children. I feel people like Harinder Singh make their impact by influencing youths and children at seminars and now through Punjabi schools when they are not watched by others. Slowly and subtly they dilute the core message of Gurbani with their own.” Rajendar Singh also narrated an incident in 2005 when Harinder Singh conducted a seminar on Asa-Ki-Vaar in Fremont . The response to the question as to who is the Guru of the Sikhs was met by Harinder as follows: 'anyone who can read and understand the Guru Granth Saheb, and can recite gurbani verbatim is a Guru.' He said, “Even, I can be a Guru, and so can you.” Rajendar Singh’s children walked out of the conference room. Rajendar Singh insisted that, “Anyone who believes, that on being able to read and recite Gurbani verbatim, can become the Guru of the Sikhs, is a fool! We will not allow our children to follow a curriculum for the Sunday Khalsa School at Fremont Gurdwara”. An Amritdhari girl, who is studying political science before commencing a law degree, preferring to remain anonymous, gave the following account of a seminar conducted by Harinder Singh: “During one of his seminars that I attended, the gist of Harinder Singh's teaching was that the Guru Granth Saheb Ji can’t exist without the Guru Panth. He stated that without the Guru Panth there can be no Guru Granth. He got furious when I questioned him as to what was the source for his deduction and conclusion. For my understating, I asked Harinder Singh who is our Guru, He said anyone who recites gurbani verbatim is our Guru including 'me or you' if we can recite it verbatim. All the Amritdhari Sikhs, who were present, knew he was wrong and walked out with us but the non Amritdhari Sikhs kept on listening to him. I felt like that he wanted to create a divide. He wanted us to follow him blindly as in a cult. He could be another mushroomed sect soon.. Sikhs have never been scared to challenge the wrong and he should be corrected before the damage is done and before it becomes too late”

Sikh community can easily take care of this problem by showing a walk-thru history of Damdami Taksal and it's importance in our religion. I bet none of so called "Sikh Leaders of west" ever objected when US classified Damdami Taksal as terror outfit. Funny thing is that 'american citizen' baba dhumma is heading taksal organization in india and yet didn't do anything about this. After 9/11, KP Gill was in washington DC on behalf india and gave the list of sikh organization (some long dead) to US to include them in western Banned organization list. I believe taksal name was probably in that list.

Kluivert, We understand you and agree with you but in sikh community, we do not have good history of holding debates in civilized form nor have paitence of understanding each other very well. Sad but true. Nidar is nobody and there is no point of holding any debate with him as in past he either whimp out (sorry can't provide you source as not in habit of collecting data). Shastar Vidiya is physical exercise and it is done to keep one healthy and fit. Our old saying is that those who are masters in fights but don't keep religion in heart is nothing but a waste. Nihang means: Master and keeping balance of both Shaster Vidiya (fighting tactics) and Gurmat Vidiya (religious). There is no doubt that nidar might be good in handling few sticks or swords but he doesn't know the basics of sikhism but at the same time calls himself Nihang or master of both religion (by his dress) and fight. We have brutal history with so many traitors in past, present and will be in future. To understand sikh culture, it takes more than data/facts to judge a good character/leader/teacher of our community. Clearly nidar is nowhere near that; people doesn't even know his real name.

Biased.. Lol on last warrior.. What he thinks of himself.. Tom cruise from the last samurai movie lol...

Boycott if this is the same harinder from US. Anti-dasam Granth, anti-ardas, anti jaap sahib and so on...

Read the reply that he is constantly on SikhTv. What is their website address? Can someone post their email, phone and other public information? Thanks

You contradicted yourself unless you are one of the rare species that doesn't believe in Jaap Sahib. Take your time to read jaap sahib if you haven't done so. Read English translation if you not aware of gurmukhi meanings. Then watch the above video and decide for yourself. There is no bigger issue than this at all. Harinder Singh of Sikhri is the biggest thug of all. He is well known for his kartootaan in US. He and some of his helper confused countless young souls in America and now he is embarking his journey toward India and UK. Beware of him and SikhRi aka Ex-Fateh camp. He is well known of carrying guru granth sahib ji in carry-on suitcase to various youth camps and is from missionary mindset. Which UK TV channels this gunda-dhunda thug comes on... Sikh Channel? Wait till Zee Punjabi starts live streaming program from sarnas control delhi gurdwara and gunda's venom will spread to thousands more sikh households.

Someone please send him what other reality stuff guru gobind singh jee mentioned in sri dasam granth about hindu avtars. He or his masters won't be able to digest that. lol.. This article is not written by him but by someone who is working behind the scene.

Sharabi kababi nuh ki pata sikhi barray. Dukan Challaey janda, lookan nuh buddu baana keh. Seen niddar last year @ heathrow airport carrying alcohol beverages in those infamous duty free shop bags (along with three of his friends - one came to pick him up). Sad picture to see nihang bana wearing so-called sikh carrying alcohol in front of the world @ the airport. Besharami deh vi haad hundey ya ! oh shado ehana besharam lookan nuh.. website bana davo ehna deh kartootan deyaan and people will become aware of such thugs.

Why we actually care about all sikh tv channel or their reporters? Are we that naive that we jump on the bandwagon only to do over-praise 'anybody' who actually do little bit of promoting sikh image but same time their image too. What we learned here is to never jump quickly on conclusion to throw whole community support for such ppl whom actually we don't really know anything about em. Agreed that they covered riots nicely and brought good name but that is their job to do so. We have sonia deol who made or was part of biased documentary that was made purely in-line with government of india. Then we have a 15-min fame so-called community hero of sangat tv channel who actually did bad mouth babbar khalsa via his facebook account. Very strong dirty allegations he made without any proof. Do you think anybody care about our history, culture and religion? Even all today's saintly based organization/jathabandi get distracted while pursuing their mission. TV channels struggling for funds, doing competition with each other rather than upbringing sikh kaum. Reporters will do anything to get few mins of fame even they sell their own history/culture/religion. Nothing is new to learn in this kalyug. We can try on our own to make progress in our gursikhi jivan, raise future generation sikhi wise, help each other out and live upto the principles of sikh dharam and vaheguroo ji will take care of the world at larger scale by doing kirpa on us in different ways.

Dr. Aulakh is the biggest thug of all. He is the good friend of Gurtaej Singh IAS (kala Afghana) and big supporter of ex-Ragi Darshan clan. Maybe he should quote ragi saying "hindu community feel the pain if any sikh get hurts in india," soon after 1984 in california. Aulakh is a heavy drinker and has no gurmat principles in him. Such jokers should not represent khalistan in public at all. Only pure gurmat principled sikh should represent or present khalistan.

Tarmala head was once in AKJ just like normal member in his early years. Later on he left jatha. Most people says that he got kicked out because of some reasons but not sure which one. Anyway, this group is dodgy after i had conversation with one of main organisers in my area: 1. They only concentrate on Simran. 2. They actually do nitnem but do not believe in it as they say simran is more important than nitnem/kirtan. 3. They scare new people by drawing pictures of people getting killed after life - Hell concept. 4. Their rumor pr are the best. Ex: This little girl seen heaven & so on. 5. Their katha is totally based on their own concepts. 6. Most of their saamagams are only on their own version katha and simran. Amateur Kids do kirtan just for 15 mins. 7. They reject Dasam Granth completely - heard in their katha once few years ago. In India they are known as Tarmala group (Tarmaley). In the west they are well known as Dasam Duar Group (Dasam Duaraey). However most of them are very nice people with good heart and hard workers but like bholay bhalay jatts, they are extremely naive and are stuck in the web of tarmala lies & deceit.

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Khakrooartsy, Simple thing needed is: 1. Names of their "jathabandis contacts" (whom they contacted). 2. Phone Numbers of the Jathabandis contacts. Them ignoring above simple question shows that they never contacted any of them.

There are countless organization in Punjab who are helping day and night. It is just matter of fact that we do not have knowledge about them as they are not on internet. I know one Aunty ji who opened up her house for orphan girls and now supporting 60 & more girls on her own. We need to support those who are strong in their foundations. We need to support those who works for good rather than making videos or press releases. Supporting or getting in partnership with someone without giving much time & thought will become toxic asset in future. Focus Punjab is pulling KA down. Missionary college is hub of all activities of Kala Afghana, darshan, dhunda, ghagga and jhachak group. Singh559 bhai sahib, keep us updated if you hear the names and contact of person(s) they asked for help in doing projects in punjab.