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after all, if im the main instigator of the sewa, then i have the right to sit back and let others do it. jus cos i instigated it, douesnt mean i have to do it every week duz it?

well , he's been to a hockey tournament in belguim, where he was attacked by a sikh, who actually made no attempt to kill him....

yeh i think that might work, also i can push the thought of the seva never being completed to the back of my mind. then i could the same for next sunday as well.

my mind is telling me that i should go to the rainsbhai, becasue of 3 points : 1. it will get me out of doing seva. 2. i dont really care how the other sewadaars manage if im not there. 3. becuz of the wikid kirtaniz.lol.hahaha.omdzz.gurooooo.

yeah the problem is that i know i will not be able to make it in to gurdwara to do my sewa. the sewa is only till about from 9.30 in the morning to 1.30 in the afternoon. so if i go rainsbhai then i will be asleep all this time.

the prog is 4 hours drive away,so cannot make there and back. impractical. Azaad, i was 110% committed to the sewa when it first started. Over time i felt that i can pass the buck to the other sewadaars , so i can enjoy what i want to do, without really concerning myself about what they feel. the thing is that i want to do this every week now, go to rainsbhais and stuff.

i want to go to a rainsbhai next week , but the problem is that i will not be able to get up on sunday morning to go to the gurdwara to do the sewa that i do. should i miss the rainsbhai , bearing in mind that there will be a rainsbhai at my local gurdwara in the next 4 weeks? Or should i forget about the sewa and leave it to the others " without really caring about how my lack of support affects them" ? Should I take the " they'll cope one way or another " attitude? Whenever any of the other sewadaars have been absent, it places a strain on us and we wish to waheguru that they would turn up. This sewa that we do no-one else there will do , and its very very important. So sangat Ji , what do you think I should do?

The Quiz was soooo amazing. The atmoshpere was great, it was well organised and the decor was fab!! Kaurageous girls went all out and it really showed! Well done to the organisers.

That SIngh from the SSF is Virsa Singh Valtoha, a prominent leader of the SSF during the eighties. However have not heard much from him since. Duz anyone know what he has been up to, and what his stance on the Khalistan movement is?

Sticky Please....

Charan dhoor Singh Ji, it says here that under the times of terrorism he helped to kill many Singhs and imprison many... which singhs is this poster talkin about? Khalistani Singhs or the budha dal nihang singhs?

i hav book. not quite sure what to make of it. there is a serious anti-Banda Singh theme to it. the translater in his foreword has picked out some historical nad religiuous errors in it as well.

khaas

i have voted yes as i beleive that the basic human needs of the Sikhs or even humans canot be met in india. this has been proved time and time again. This is wsomething that Sant Jarnail Singh said as well in 84 that we can only live in india if we have the rights and freedoms as the hindus. chatanga

whats a nakha singh jee?

me family comes from jalandhar

one of the things i found out about gill : in 1987 when Avtar Singh Brahma challenged the CRPF picket in his village to a duel, they refused, and then afterwards beat up every single Sikh in the village of brahmpura and then set the gurdwara on fire, including Guru Granth Sahib, kps gill warned the govt that if the crpf were to be even criticised over thier actions that he would resign. So this incident was swept under the carpet. my cousin who was 26 when he was arrested and beaten by the amritsar police was beaten and given electric shocks in the presence of alam and gill. the police refused to believe that he was not a terrorist, and when they could get no info from him, called his father to come and take him. his father ( my taiya) took him home where he died shortly after cos of the after efects of the beating from the police. My taiya told us that it was gill who personallly oversaw the release of his son to him. this was in 93. chatanga

i sent a DD to these people over 5 mnths ago, to give money monthly and it still hasnt been set up. Then i tried foning them and they never answered the phone or returned my calls. chatanga

there was a picture of Sant Ji in 95 when i had darshan of Drabar Sahib. it was right by Akal Takht. wasnt there when i went 2 months ago tho.

Admin Note: chatkaa is anti-gurmat don't bring that non-sense here. -talikhaak

excellent post i was thinking about this after an article i read in a newspoaper about badal looking to finally oust Mann from political power and have bittu as the main opposition to him instead. not that he would be any oppsition, cos badal at the moment is very very powerful. Look at the former militants who are in his control, Mehta and Chawla, Manjit Singh and Tarlochan Singh (brother and son of Bhai Amrik Singh) etc, sadly there is no one realisticlly to challenge him.

or Historical Gurdwaras , such as in Pakistan etc where very few Sikhs have chance to have darshan .

Below is blog comments of Jerome Taylor who has helped in highlighting the plight of Paramjeet Singh Dhadhi, who is currently detained in Punjab by police on bogus charges. Jerome is a journalist for The Independent who ran a story on Paramjeet Singh Dhadhi in May 2007. On 23rd December it will be 1 year from the day he was arrested. So far, the Foreign Office has done nothing to help Dhadhi, yet for Gillian Gibbons they were active very quickly. Please go to blog below and post your comments in support for chnage with foriegn policy and show your support to Paramjeet Singh Dhadhi's campaign. http://indyblogs.typepad.com/independent/2...if-gilli-1.html Minority Report: What if Gillian Gibbons wasn't white? Part II By Jerome Taylor Yesterday I wrote a blog asking the question: had British school teacher Gillian Gibbons not been white, would she have been afforded the same concerted diplomatic assistance that led to her early release? It's an uncomfortable question but one that needs to be asked. In response to that piece, a woman who I had interviewed a year ago got back in contact to remind me of the plight of her British father who is currently in an Indian prison on trumped up charges and, she believes, has been largely ignored by the British government. Unlike Gillian Gibbons who (quite rightly) was afforded all the diplomatic assistance Britain could muster following her farcical arrest, Paramjit Singh still languishes in a jail in the Indian Panjab a year after he was picked up by Indian police. The retired foundry worker from Wolverhampton was arrested in December last year on spurious charges that he was planning to make bombs and disrupt local elections that were due to take place the following month. Investigations by human rights campaigners and local reporters in the region have shown the evidence is seriously flawed, if it has any basis at all. A much-admired folk singer in the British Sikh community, Paramjit Singh was a vocal critic of human rights abuses carried out against Sikh activists in the Panjab, one of the few states in India where some human rights groups are still banned from conducting research. He had been on holiday in India with his wife Balvinder (pictured above) in order to build a holiday home near the family's ancestral village. But he had also clearly made some political enemies who were able to engineer his now seemingly endless incarceration - something that is unfortunately all to easy to do in the more isolated backwaters of India. Despite being arrested on 23 December, Paramjit Singh was not visited by British officials for seven days, even though his arrest dominated Panjabi media over the Christmas period and allegations of torture were made by Mr Singh and his other men who were arrested with him. When I met his family in March they refrained from being too critical of the Foreign Office because they were hopeful that what they thought was a simple misunderstanding could be sorted out with a few firm words in Delhi's ear from London. But nine months on they are desperate and increasingly angry at how little has been done to try and free a British national arrested abroad on spurious charges. "I hate to say it," his daughter wrote to me yesterday, "but if my dad was white I believe he'd be home now." So is the government racist in the way it deals with British nationals who get into trouble abroad? It's very difficult to prove. But compare Paramjit's position now to that of Ian Stillman and Peter Bleach. Both men were British nationals convicted in an Indian court for crimes they may or may not have committed but both were released early because of direct diplomatic pressure from the British government. These men were found guilty and they got help, Paramjit Singh has yet to be convicted but still he languishes. Now part of the reason why Paramjit Singh has spent so long in jail is the laborious Indian legal system, courts are woefully overcrowded and trials can go on for years. He has had little chance to clear his name in court because each time a session is scheduled for him to appear the prosecution finds a way of delaying the hearing - they even claimed once to be out of petrol and unable to reach the court house! But like Gillian Gibbons there is a very good chance Paramjit Singh has become the victim of ludicrous charges abroad that should never have been brought against him. So why is it we hear so little about these events and why is it non-white British families consistently complain that they are treated differently by the UK authorities? So perhaps it's worth asking a different question: If Paramjit Singh was white, would he still be in jail? Posted at 08:22 PM in Minority Report | Permalink

First, I'm not a gurmukh. Second, I believe everyone should feel comfortable in gurdwara from all walks of life. And I do agree that Sant ji wouldn't want his picture there. IMHO, the only pictures of individuals should be of Gurus. you may be right , but the picture is in a museum with about 100 other pictures of prminnet people from sikh history. if people dont wanna go to the mueseum thats fine as well. however if someone decides against goign Darbar Sahib cos Sant Ji's pic is in the museum, i couldnt give a monkeys. And there are no pictures only made up fake pictures of our Gurus.

peacemaker those people are probably jholi jhaks of the rakhsas raaj hindustan, so why would a gurmukh like yourslef give it a second thought?