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[Khalsa_starr]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!

Whatt???? :angry: :angry:

Then i am even more concerned to as why no one has taken up the cause to address the social and economic problems that come with poverty and lack of place in the world. Of course fighting poverty isn't everything, however, it is one of the small factors of the Khalistan movement (ppl don't admit it). I have personaly lived in severe poverty and know the effects of it: suicide, social problems, drug abuse, youth mischief, organized crime, etc. And that was living on a reserve in northern alberta! Since i have experienced this state of living, i know for sure that stuff like this is going on as we speak somewhere and sometime in punjab. I don't want to paint a gloomy picture, however, it's time we stopped pushing these issues to the side and assume that things will be better when our homeland is created. There is no gurantee that things will be better right away after khalistan is created, the time to act on these problems is now. I think we must focus more of our resources towards fighting poverty and the problems that come with it (in punjab). We already have many groups mixing it up for the fight for khalistan, we need ppl to fight, and i respect those that do. However, fighting can only go so far before some really serious issues start to arise and could undermined our goals. I am not saying that no one has helped, but there has been no major group (to the best of my knowledge) that is dedicated to the building and maintaing of the social and ecenomic well being of the people of punjab.

I have deep respect for our shaheed's and civilians that have given their life for the war against oppression and injustice. As we speak, our brave brothers and sisters are fighting (in some form or another) in parts of punjab and others areas to secure a bright future for our children. However, it won't be much of a future if what they meet is a country in severe economic and social poverty. Pulling a trigger or signing agreements with nations may help to ceate a country, but it doesn't acually help ppl on the down to home basis.

War has a cruel way of creating debt and ruining a country's infrustructure. I have not seen this personaly, but i know this has happened in other poverty stricen areas of the world.

mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan: your words, if true have made me even more concerned about the well being of our brothers and sisters in punjab. It is obviously clear that no group has the will power or intentions to take on such a difficult challenge. After all, these problems are imbedded in our everyday life and are not easily erased. Also, if the indian government is not doing anything about it, why aren't you doing anything to about it?

Peaple, even if it is small, it's better than sitting around and hoping that khalistan will fix everything, i say again that the time to act on these issues is now, not later, cause it's not going to be any easier when there is a war going on, or after the inetivable aftermath. I'm not trying to downgrade khalistan but be realistic ppl, there is no magic wand that will instantly fix these problems.

There are many sikhs in uk and north america that are swimming in imense wealth, while some of our fellow sikhs are living in awfull conditions. I'm sure our more wealthier brothers are contibuting to the local community, but more must be done. There is no reason why some of us in developed nations are living in mansion like homes, fancy cars and lavish lifestyles. It is happening, and those ppl are just as guilty as the indian govermnent, only worse, because it's in our own community! Wahegure jee instructed us to share our wealth and surplus and help those in need. Some little help in some form or another is better than nothing at all. I have made a personal commitmnet to not live a rich lifestyle, i cannot bare to think that others are living with a great deal of pain.

Now mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan if your so better, stop pointing fingers and do something to curb these problems, if not, then keep your comments to yourself. Praying for our sikhs in punjab is a start, if you can come up with your ideas, please fill me in.

I don't want to cause more of a rift between us or any other user, but i don't like to see users pointing any fingers or alike if you yourself are not going to do anything about it. I hope you understand my reasoning mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan, and any other users at sikhsangat.com.

-khalsa Starr

Khalistan Zindabaad!!!

[H4RPAL]

Khalsa Starr, there was a time whn people in the west were willing to help, and did try. This whole ethos was ruined by the greedy people leading such operations in Punjab, people who would have no issues with pocketing funds intended for seva.

To be quite blunt, the issue is thus that people in the West do not think their donations will be spent well if they were to try to help the poor. However, we are somewhat more comfortable with our own sevadars, and thus I think the solution this problem needs is a group, like you mentioned that focuses on humanitarian activity in the Punjab, but maintains westerners to distribute the collected funds.

As sad as that sounds (ie that people from the west would generally be more trusted than the Punjabis from Punjab themselves with any humanitarian donations) from what I can see, that is the reality of this situation. There may be a lot of corruption in the west, but the corruption in Punjab, and India is unimaginable in comparison.

People have thus earned the right to be wary when making donations, so it will take much work to change their attitudes.

[Khalsa_starr]

Indeed, i imagined that this is a problem. Perhaps what would be best is not charity, but some reall skills that can be teached to help families and busineses thrive. Money and food are onlt temporary fixes, what really needs to be done is education and teaching ppl that there is other ways to do things even wothout money, i myself have a theory that i will try and see if it will work or not.

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

khalsa starr, i think i misunderstood your post. I thought by your comment you meant that without India, khalistan wouldn't survive, which i disagree with. Iu agree that fighting poverty in punjab is a must.

However you do not know what i am and am not doing to help punjab. Just because you don't see me posing for pictures in the newspapers holding million dollar checks doesn't mean i am not doing anything. I'm sorry but you won't see mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan's name in the newspaper. cause that's my screenname. Anyways we are on the same page, i agree with you i think i was confusing some of what you were saying with Kuldeepak...

poverty, caste issues, sikhi parchaar. and unity are definitely needed before a khalistan is created.

peace brother.

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

khalsa starr, i think i misunderstood your post. I thought by your comment you meant that without India, khalistan wouldn't survive, which i disagree with. Iu agree that fighting poverty in punjab is a must.

However you do not know what i am and am not doing to help punjab. Just because you don't see me posing for pictures in the newspapers holding million dollar checks doesn't mean i am not doing anything. I'm sorry but you won't see mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan's name in the newspaper. cause that's my screenname. Anyways we are on the same page, i agree with you i think i was confusing some of what you were saying with Kuldeepak...

poverty, caste issues, sikhi parchaar. and unity are definitely needed before a khalistan is created.

peace brother.

[Khalsa_starr]

However you do not know what i am and am not doing to help punjab.  Just because you don't see me posing for pictures in the newspapers holding million dollar checks doesn't mean i am not doing anything.  I'm sorry but you won't see mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan's name in the newspaper.    cause that's my screenname.  Anyways we are on the same page, i agree with you i think i was confusing some of what you were saying with Kuldeepak...

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Well at least one user here is doing honest, i myself will be looking more deeply into the problems and seeing if my plan could work. It's just a theory, however, it might be a start towards a better future.

[paul_84]

NO ARGUEMENTS ON THIS THREAD PLZ ALL I ASKED FOR WAS ---SUPPORT--- NOT FOR A WHOLE DILEMMA SO IF U PEOPLE WANT TO ARGUE PLEASE OPEN A NEW THREAD......GURFATEH!!

[Punjabi_Link]

DEATH TO HINDUSTAN/INDIA!!!!

[Singh Sher]

KHALISTAN! KHALISTAN! - KHALISTAN SADEE JAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KHALISTAN ZINDABAD!!!!!!!!!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!!!!!!!!!

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