Guru Jee... Fullfiller?

[Nama Singh]

VJKK VJKF

Its been said before... Guru Jee will fulfill the desires that we have. Anything we want, we must travel in steps towards Guru Jee who will in return come towards us. If we go towards Guru jee will fulfill our needs.

But something i was thinking is that... if we travel on that path... and if we keep on the path as our beloved Guru Granth Sahib Jee paves for us... the teachings that Maharaj portray will vanquish our wants... and our only need will be to merge with Guru Jee.. the Light.

So is it right to say... that Guru Jee does not fulfill our wants... He erases them? So at the end our minds are 100% wanting and needing Him?

I sometimes dont see the ideology of how our aims should be to reach sachkhand. We have been given a guide... Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee, which outlines perfection. And what does Guru Jee outline... treat EVERYONE with as much pyaar as you can and be as khush as you can.

I guess what i am trying to say is... i have met a few Singhs in my life who are just so totally... naam, bani, simran vale. They meditate like 24/7 and practice a lot of indepth practices of our faith. But thats too much...! They dont really open up and talk and smile and laugh with people. I was with a friend and we saw this Singh who i know is totally spiritual himself... but he had a bit of a straight expressionless face and my friend turned round and asked "why are all 'hardcore' Sikhs so depressed?!". She was over exaggerating but it made me think a bit. And i thought of the saying "smile and the whole world will smile with you.." and i thought "fine, that Singh studies Gurbani and practices his Sikhi, but its not all about that. To have the gift to make someone smile or laugh in this kaljug is amazing, and we all have that gift. That gift to smile contagiously." Yes, there are some people who are just like that... totally nice people, but just keep themselves to themselves. Which is fine. BUT i KNOW there are also people who purposely feel they have to act a certain way and look a certain way to kinda make it be known they are "serious" about their Sikhi. And that bugs me. Because Maharaj is there to guide you to opening up that mind... 100% fully, and with that comes good and powerful qualities which, if on the path of Guru Jee, can change so much bad in this world. But if you are not going to let that shine, then whats the point?

I know myself, when i have been depressed, to see someone smile - just anyone in the street - is so enlightening. It makes you happier. And you go on with the day smiling. This is how it should be. We should be the smilers that make other people happy.

When i do ardaas... i pray that everyone else reaches the True Destination, firstly. Then i ask Maharaj, that if He has room for a paapi like me, then to squeeze me in. But id die a happy person even if i dont reach the Destination, knowing that everyone else did... n i do ardaas here on this forum, that you ALL .. regardless of whether u hate me or like me... reach Sackhand and that Maharaj is able to banish all your wants from your minds and makes your only need... Enlightenment.

bhul chuk maaf.....

Nama Singh

[shanti]

this is a good discussion.

I dont agree that when you become Sikh you are immersed in GuruJi so much that you dont have ur individuality and that you cant live a fulfilling life with aims and enjoyment other than Sikhism, because i think going by Gurbani that this would be contrary to gurmat.

As a Sikh, we are encouraged to live a life that allows for spiritual growth, and in doing so our desires will be different from the desires we would crave if we were not following Sikhism as much...but this doesnt mean u cant have a life.

Sikhi should be what you are but who you are is down to your own choices you make in life.

Sikhism should resonate in your being and in every limb of your body..you should chant Waheguru 24/7 without even knowing. It should be automatic. Along with our prescribed daily nitnem and simran and our other studies in relation to Sikhi, we are allowed to study and learn whatever we want...this gives a Sikh the potential to be anything they choose to be.

[GuruManeyoGranth]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

I think that whether Guru Jee fulfils our desires or eradicates them depends on the Avastha of the person concerned and how dear the desire is to the person concerned. If the person has a lot pyaar for Guru Jee, but really wants a particular thing, and it is in line with Gurmat philosophy, then Guru Sahib will keep his Sikh happy and will reward the pyaar of the GurSikh.

However, as the Avastha of a Sikh gets higher, the person's desires will reduce because he reaches the point "Raaj Na Chaho, Mukat Na Chaho, Man Preet Charan Kamlarae" - the Sikh just wants his mind to be in the Lotus Feet of the Guru, and forgets everything else.

I guess what i am trying to say is... i have met a few Singhs in my life who are just so totally... naam, bani, simran vale. They meditate like 24/7 and practice a lot of indepth practices of our faith. But thats too much...! They dont really open up and talk and smile and laugh with people. I was with a friend and we saw this Singh who i know is totally spiritual himself... but he had a bit of a straight expressionless face and my friend turned round and asked "why are all 'hardcore' Sikhs so depressed?!". She was over exaggerating but it made me think a bit. And i thought of the saying "smile and the whole world will smile with you.." and i thought "fine, that Singh studies Gurbani and practices his Sikhi, but its not all about that. To have the gift to make someone smile or laugh in this kaljug is amazing, and we all have that gift. That gift to smile contagiously." Yes, there are some people who are just like that... totally nice people, but just keep themselves to themselves. Which is fine. BUT i KNOW there are also people who purposely feel they have to act a certain way and look a certain way to kinda make it be known they are "serious" about their Sikhi. And that bugs me. Because Maharaj is there to guide you to opening up that mind... 100% fully, and with that comes good and powerful qualities which, if on the path of Guru Jee, can change so much bad in this world. But if you are not going to let that shine, then whats the point?

This is an interesting point. As long as the Sikh acting all serious is genuinely serious and has pyaar for Guru Jee, then that's fine. But if the "Sikh" is just making a facade to act all religious and doesn't mean it, then that's just replacing the Brahmins who acted religious to deceive people with the same class within Sikhi.

On the wider point, I think GurSikhs do need to be immersed in Bani, Naam, Simran, etc., but they also need to be able to chill and relax as well. But I think that cos Sikhi is difficult, and a Sikh has to slowly adopt all virtues of the Guru, then it's not fatal that he has not adopted the chilled out virtue of GurSikhi. He's still on the path to doing this. But the important thing is that the serious guy does not impose his superiority as Sikh and look down on other more chilled people.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Waheguroo

[Dhan Teri Sikhi]

Interesting topic.

I believe that the desires which we have in accordance with Gurmat, Guru Jee will fulfil them if they are judged by him to be in our self interest. If Waheguru Jee feels that our desires are not in our self interest, they may not be fulfilled. Only Guru Jee knows what is in our self interest, as we can not make that judgment.

Human beings are blinded by Maya and cannot tell what is in their best interests long term. It is usually after some time that a person realises what Guru Jee did for them in the past was good and the person then thanks Waheguru Jee. However at the time of the event, we usually complain to Waheguru as to why things did not work out as to how we wanted them to.

I believe that the more one travels on the path of Sikhi, our needs which are not in accordance with Gurmat will be erased or diminished because Guru Jee will do his kirpa on us and make us realise that the things which we were asking for are not important and necessary.

One will realise that the only thing that will help us in this world and hereafter is Naam and this is what one will ask from Guru Jee. But this a long path to travel….It may take many janams of Bhagti to reach the stage where one does not want anything other than Naam and only wanting Waheguru Jee.

I find that the Singhs/Singhnia who can do Naam, Bani, Simran 24/7 are amazing -

:doh:

They must have done a lot of Bhagti to reach that stage..not everyone can reach that stage.

Guru Jee instructs us to Remember the One:

saas saas nimakh nimakh dhinas rain chithaarae ||

With each and every breath, each and every instant, day and night, dwell upon Him.

However, Singhs/Singhnias should be chilled out as well and not act as they are superior to other individuals.

I cannot remember the exact line from Gurbani but it says realise Waheguru whilst laughing, eating, sleeping.

I agree that when one is feeling down and just seeing a stranger smile at you can work wonders..It makes you feel happy and you forget your worries for an instant. Also seeing a little child smile at you is amazing..

[gupt_paapi]

On the wider point, I think GurSikhs do need to be immersed in Bani, Naam, Simran, etc., but they also need to be able to chill and relax as well. But I think that cos Sikhi is difficult, and a Sikh has to slowly adopt all virtues of the Guru, then it's not fatal that he has not adopted the chilled out virtue of GurSikhi. He's still on the path to doing this. But the important thing is that the serious guy does not impose his superiority as Sikh and look down on other more chilled people.

i agree, your right, it seems like some poeple are trying to rush it..

In my views, Singhs who become expressionless while they into Sikhi, well they seem to be too much into surpressing their desires, like the 5 vices. They try to keep away from Lust, Anger, Greed, Attachment, and Ego so much that they are actually containing themselves. (this is from personal experience)

It is true we'll have to get rid of these before reaching Guru Ji, but also remember, Guru Ji does this for you

With Guru Ji's unlimited Grace, we can all pass the test of Kaljug, just by putting faith in Guru Ji.

THis is what we are REALLY lacking; Faith. If you have faith in Him you don't need to be serious.. Guru Ji will protect you whilst u live amongst temptations.

[mkaur13]

Vaheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!

Bhenjee Dhan Waheguru I think you meant this tuk...

hsMidAw KylµidAw pYnµidAw KwvMidAw ivcy hovY mukiq ]2]

hasa(n)dhiaa khaela(n)dhiaa paina(n)dhiaa khaava(n)dhiaa vichae hovai mukath ||2||

While laughing, playing, dressing and eating, he is liberated. ||2||

I would have thought that when someone does naam abhyaas and bhagti 24/7 they are so happy with life and content with living in Guroo Jee's hukam/bhaanaa, that they would automatically have a smile and a natural happy glow on their face.... thus inspiring others and stimulating them to jap naam as well... also they would get sooooo filled with pyaar for Guroo Jee that they see everyone as His roop... and their desire would be to interact with others in order do bhalla of all jeev in the world, saving them from Kaljug, by showing them that true satisfaction and anand comes from living an ucha and sacha jeevan....

However people that are 'serious' and 'depressed looking' I think are trying, like K 51NGH bhaajee said, to contain themselves and preventing themselves from being taken in by the vices..... but containing oneself from the vices alone does not take away the desires from the mind... i think one has to be amongst maya yet truly 'thiaag' the desires and thus one can ultimately be freed from the temptations....

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Vaheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!

[Dhan Teri Sikhi]

Thanks mkaur13 Bhenji - that was the Gurbani tuk I was referring to but could not remember it at the time. :TH:

[jagjit_waheguru]

waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh

Pyare jio, I do not think Gursikhs are depressed, but often when they are expressionless it is because they may be immersed in other thoughts which you may not see.

However this is not an excuse, it is true alot of Gursikhs are not as approachable as they could be.

Something different - I once read a book on the Dalia lama. He is a very interesting individual. He has alot of virtues and charisma, even though buddhism is sometimes dogmatic. He once said, the greatest gift a spiritualist has is a smile. When anyone sees someone spiritual, they should see their smile. Only then will you know they are content inside.

This is so true. When you are content inside, your outlook on life is very positive and you are generally cheerful. Often people have issues in themselves, such as their actions do not match their own ideals, so they are depressed, or have a expressionless nature.

We should avoid generalisms though, because not everyone is the same.

Anyone who has done sangat of Gursikhs like Bhai Rama Singh and Bhai Jeevan singh will know both had a very enigmatic smile.

waheguru ji kekhalsa waheguru ji ke fateh

[SSM]

My experience tells me that a person whose content with life cos they feel close to Guru Ji, will be smiling and its not smiling like over excited but a very calm smile.

One guy I know, an uncle ji actually, he is totally wow, i mean the guy works and walks and talks but the whole time he is doing paath in his head and its just amazing. Wherever he walks he is just praying to God and he has the most beautiful smile and it shows that he only desires God and all material things do not affect him. Really one of the most amazing ppl I have come across. He will smile when he sees anyone and he does socialise but its all only a little cos he is always so obsessed with doing something sikh lo but i really admire the guy, i think he has controlled the five vices to an extent, obviously not sure 100% but there is something amazing abt that guy that I cant stop writing abt him but ok i stop.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

[SSM]

jus wandering that say God gives u what u ask for but then takes it away so how does that work

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh