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The current bir there seems different from the one seen at earlier times which has been described by puratan scholars. Many current scholars in the panth have pointed this out. Also, there are many differences between the Kirtarpuri Bir and the Damdami Bir. In some places, even the Mahalla (the author) of some shabds is different. Obviously, the guru's wouldn't have made such oversights.

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Sat Sri Akal:

Here's an article on the Kartarpur Bir by Bhai Daljit Singh, a prominent Sikh scholar. Beware, a long read, but worth it if you want to know about the Kartarpur Bir.

http://www.sikhcoalition.org/Sikhism18.asp

Also, the location of THE origional Damdami Bir (the one dictated to Bhai Mani Singh by Guru Gobind Singh Sahib) is unknown. Some claim that Ahmed Shah Abdali took it with him during the invasion of the Punjab, but it is unconfirmed. Regardless, copies of this Damdami Bir do exist (someone even posted a pic of a page of a Guru Granth Sahib bir hand-written by Baba Deep Singh on SikhAwareness pics forum once).

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yes the kartarpuri bir does have ragmalla and this is an important reason why i believe in ragmalla.

mkhalsa, which old bir do u put ur faith in as being hte original? there are sigatures of guru arjun in many places in kartarpuri bir. also the way its been written (many gaps due to method of writing in raags) also tells us its likely to be the original.

remember that it was teh gurus scribes not the gurus who actually physically wrote the granth. bhai gurdas was only human afta all.

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