Should Shaheed Gursikhs Apologise?

[LostSoul]

How hard is it to have a long beard and turban, pick up a gun and kill someone you have a personal issue with? It has to be accepted that alot of gundhas got into the movement for personal reasons i.e. power, respect. These people joined Khalistani groups and also carried out personal hits.

[jagjit_waheguru]

waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh

Pyare jio, namstang, I have made every attempt to answer all your points. Much to detriment of my sehaj path, I have to admit. But like I said, I hold Shahheeds as very special.

Whether you are a khalistani or not, purely from your heart and love for the Panth. I said this before. It makes no difference to the movemnt. no matter what its state.

If you think I have not answered our points "WORD BY WORD", then please list your questions. I sincerely considered that I did, from what I have read on the thread. Forgive me, and I will make every attempt to answer every point.

Equally I humbly ask you to answer all my points, which you have always avioded. The simple one being name an innocent killed by any Prominent Singh? Name a hindu woman raped by a Singh? Name a riot done by Singhs? name a genocide done by Singh? name a false encounter done by Singhs? name a mass grave done by Singhs?

Even your own special subject of smapradayas. I gave you a long list of questions in the last thread asking you specific questions about Guru Kian Sakkaian. I can easily prove these sampardayas were actually rejected by Guru ji themselves at there own times, let alone rejected when the Panth accepted the Singh sabha Movement and rejected them samparadays and the onslaught on Chritsian and Arya Samaj movements.

I am happy to debate all with you veer ji. But as I said before do the debate with sincerity and with facts. So please start another thread if you wish, but answer start by answering my post about Guru Kian saakain?

waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh

[N30S1NGH]

one question for all,

Speaking from two personal incidents one in phugvara and killa raipur mandi:

Why would GOI type of sikh or fake sikh or copy cat singhs or black cats, goi agents kill police officers in open market which also killed lot of innocent bystanders?? Aren't they together? By looking at the circumstances back then, only singh would have hositility against police officers because of what happened..fully understandable.

so conspiracy theory of linking these bana wearing kharkho sikhs with GOI goes outta the window.

I have no problem with these kharkho sikhs killing those who were responsible for attrotices committed against Sikhs but i have problem with them who used unjustified force against who were responsible which have ALSO killed lot of innocent by standers (speaking from two personal incidents my family has seen and expereinced).

I have every right as a sikh to question their crediblity of these kharkhoo being shaheeds of the panth.

Bhai Jagjit Singh, please provide example from history from guru's time where guru's or his sikhs in guru's time have used "unjustified force" against oppressors which have killed innocent people.

my last attempt to repeat myself.

Personal question to bikramjit singh:

Say you went with your family in a crowded place. You and your family got caught in cross fire. You symapathise with militants and their cause who are attacking police officers. You first priority is to get your family in safe place. In course of doing that, in the cross fire, one of the militants un-intentionally shot your very close family member (God Forbid if that ever happens). What would you do? Wouldn't you question their crediblity of war far of fighting in a crowded place? wouldn't you question the crediblity of these soo called warriors or militants being shaheeds? I take it biggest aim for any warrior is to kiss matyrdom?

This is what i m doing. very natural thing to do.

Atleast, i am refraining from any kinda bias judgement on my part linking these kharkhoo sikhs who also killed lot of innocent by standers in their course of revenge and Vengeance against GOI with "specific" sikh militant groups? However, i m simply looking for answers here in open dialgoue where i m very suprised to see some of the members ie- bikramjit response. They have no iota of respect of innocent human life got lost in this battle nor they show any remorse.. instead they question my crediblity instead...what a sad state of affairs. as they say, when you personally loose something then only you know.

[>Bikramjit Singh<]

Namstang

I would first try and find out who the people were who did the shooting, i would not as you have done blame Kharkoos just because the people doing the shooting wore Bana. This is exactly what you did regarding the two Gursikhs accused of the air india bombing. I think you said a relative or a friend of your family was killed in that bombing and on your forum you were quick to accept that it was these two Gursikhs who did the bombing and were even calling for them to be hung. This is the difference between you and most of the people on this forum, they would like to see the evidence of guilt before declaring people as guilty.

Regarding your explanation that because it was police officers that were killed then it had to be Kharkoos. You need to understand the tactics used by the GOI at that time. There were tens of millions of rupees in special slush funds solely to pay for black cats and informers. The police would pick some innocent youth up, kill him and then claim that he was a major figure in the Khalistan movement and claims the lakhs as reward. Corruption and black operations were being conducted everywhere. These cats openly drove around in cars without registration plates and blacked out windows and no one apart from the Kharkoos ever faced them. Even the police were scared of the most notorious cats.

One cat even shot and killed a Police DSP because he had a dispute with him regarding money owed. The police were capable of everything, just read the human rights reports, nobody was safe and anyone with a grudge would use the police or the cats to get even with someone else.

[jagjit_waheguru]

waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh

Pyare jio, veer ji, I will answer you one point to me. Please have the common courtesy to answer the many points in both threads that I put to you, but you keep ignoring.

You asked -

Bhai Jagjit Singh, please provide example from history from guru's time where guru's or his sikhs in guru's time have used "unjustified force" against oppressors which have killed innocent people.

This is my whole point veer ji, I do not fundamnetally believe the Singhs never killed anyone with unjustifiable force, neither at the times of the Guru Sahibaan or today. Bhai Sukhdev Singh would not have protected the hindu shopkeeper, if afterwards he was going to kill hindus. Sant Jarnial Singh would not get praises from Hindus, if he was a hindu killer. Bhai fauja Singh would not have gone to jail, if he had not helped the hindu woman raped by punjab police.

In History, Banda Singh Bhahdhur has many good Singhs with him, but was he ransacked Sirhand, looting and pillaging occured. That was not by his Singhs, but by criminals, who took advantage of the situation. Should he have to apologise for that?

Veer ji, you seem very lacking in knowledge of history of this recent period. It has not gone past my notice, that from 25 years of urban warfare where hundreds of thousands were killed, that you have failed to present any atrocity done by a Singh?

The ones you have mentioned, are you not aware that black cats killed police, as Veer bikramjit has mentioned. Where you not aware that senior police also had good police officers and their families killed, to motivate other officers to not be sympathetic to Singhs, but instead make them more cruel. This was one of KPS gill policies after 1988, because Singhs were controlling Punjab, and pUnajb police were being sympathetic to them. Are you not aware Police even killed other police just to claim the bounties of money, which others had earned.

In Uk, we have groups like Sikh Human Right by Dr Rai, or Khalsa Human rights in Leicester. I am sure in Toronto, you will have a similar group. Go and read the reports and see the pictures they have. You will see pictures of punjab police drunk and laughing while beheading sikhs, and throwing the heads at each other. You read stories of sikh women being traded between officers from numerous areas for their physical pleasures, before they are liquidated, you will read stories of children as young as 5 in high security prisons under TADA because they witnessed Operation Blustar, You will see a picture of a 6 month child who was tied to a block of ice and killed as part of torture to the parents, you will read of Singhs hung upside down in wells for days, Singhs with broken limbs in birdcages, Sikh women who had their breats cut off and forced to eat them, amritdharis forced to drink urine after many weeks with no water and food, and this is their only means of survival, chemicals injected into Sikhs and singhnia, which made them blind, and tears their skin and its slowly internal combusts the body.

Veer I took the time to read these. I also took Gursikhs to London, who were examined for torture. I did the seva of an interpretor. I beg that no sikh sees the things that I read and saw.

Which is why i humbly ask you. You may have made a mistake this time, but in future please think carefully before you write, and criticize, and talk nonsense of others.

waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh

[N30S1NGH]

Which is why i humbly ask you. You may have made a mistake this time, but in future please think carefully before you write, and criticize, and talk nonsense of others.

I have made no mistakes in this thread. you should show this guilt trips game card to someone one else.

I have full faith in shaheeds (ie- sant jarnail singh bhindranwale, bhai sahib bhai fauja singh ji and others) who have not killed any innocent and fought against oppressors of the panth.. My head namaskar to their shaheediya's. Hope our young generation take the inspiration from them.

However, I have a huge problem with imposters who killed innocent people in their course of their chardi-kalah mission and i will question their creditblity of being shaheeds at the first place all my life whenever this topic of matyrdom comes in.

I ll try to research each panth/jatha declared shaheeds and their lifes and their acts and if such panthic/jatha declared "shaheeds" have killed any innocent people while carrying "dangerous operations" against GOI, i ll let the sangat know with the references. In this course of this research, i ll also take inspiration from their life just to let you know, so i won't be frantically lookin for scapegoats to put all the blame.

May be you should direct me with sources in this research.

Hopefully i made myself clear.

[raj_karega_khalsa]

Vaahiguroo Jee Kaa Khaalsaa Vaahiguroo Jee Kee Fathe!!!

Namastang Bhaajee, im going to post tha jeevanee of Shaheed Bhaee Avtaar Singh Jee Brahma, if you read the whole thing you'll almost picture what tha state of Punjaab was at that time.....you'll learn bout how screwed up tha police was, how Tha Singhs dealt with harrasing, extorting, looting etc innocents and how ChaRdee Kalaa Tha Singhs were...

A True Nihang: Shahid Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma Part I

Based on Jujharu Yodhay by Maninder Singh Baja

Introduction

One of the most famous and effective Khalsa generals to have taken part in the Sikh Liberation Movement was Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma. The name of “Brahma†used to strike terror into the hearts of Indian Security Forces. Bhai Brahma also had a very special relationship with Canadian and other Western Singhs who had gone to fight for Sikh Freedom. Bhai Avtar Singh was a true Nihang Singh of Guru Gobind Singh and when the Panth needed his head, he was prepared to make the sacrifice.

Early Life

Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma was born in 1951 in village Brahmpura, which falls in the Tarn Taran area of Amritsar district. Bhai Brahma’s parents were S. Sohan Singh and Mata Chanan Kaur. Bhai Avtar Singh was the youngest of four brothers. His three elder brothers, S. Balkar Singh, S. Sadha Singh and S. Hardev Singh continue to live in the village and farm for a living.

Bhai Avtar Singh completed his early education until the fifth grade in the village primary school. After this, he began to work in the family’s farm.

In 1966, Baba Daya Singh jee from the Sursingh Nihang Jatha (Baba Bidhi Chand Dal) came to village Lohar along with his Singhs. There was a week long Gurmat Smagam in which there was an Akhand Paath Sahib, gatka demonstrations and finally at the end, an amrit sinchaar. Bhai Avtar Singh and his brother Bhai Sadha Singh worked until noon time one day and then decided to go to nearby village Lohar to see the gatka. Bhai Avtar Singh was so impressed that he decided to become amritdhari at the amrit sinchaar being held. After this, Bhai Avtar Singh began to live a strict Gursikhi jeevan and stayed with the Bidhi Chand Dal. He would only occasionally take a leave from the Dal to meet with his family and parents.

The Jathedar of Bhai Bidhi Chand Dal, Baba Daya Singh, saw the seva and simran of Bhai Avtar Singh and because he was also from village Brahmpura, began to call him Bhai Brahma Singh. After this Bhai Avtar Singh began to be called either Bhai Brahma Singh or Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma.

With the Nihang Singhs

Bhai Avtar Singh used to do seva in the langar and also took care of the Dal’s horses. Bhai Avtar Singh was a master of Shastar Vidiya. He could do a gatka demonstration for two hours straight, all by himself. Bhai Avtar Singh was also famous for being able to ride on two horses at once and then stand up, with one leg on each. He would even do a demonstration in which he would lie down on the backs of two horses and have them run at top speed. Bhai Avtar Singh was a master of all weapons including swords, spears, pistols and even rocket launchers.

Once, Baba Daya Singh was talking with Baba Bishan Singh, Jathedar of Tarna Dal (Baba Bakala) when they began to discuss an article in the newspaper which said that a French horse rider had such skill that he could race a horse at full speed and be able to spear a target on the ground with a lance at the same time. The Singhs began to discuss if this was even possible, when Bhai Avtar Singh entered the conversation. Bhai Brahma had been sitting quietly but then spoke up and said “If the Frenchman can do that, then a Guru ka Singh can ride TWO horses while standing and do the same thing.â€

The Singhs were surprised by this claim and challenged Bhai Avtar Singh to prove it. Bhai Avtar Singh brought two horses and while riding one, held the reigns of the other. He began to race the horses and when they had reached top speed, he stood up on both. Bhai Brahma with his neja (spear) then pierced a stake in the ground, which was placed as his target, and threw it up into the air. Everyone watching was amazed at the skill and after this incident, Bhai Avtar Singh became very well known not just among the Nihang Dals, but also amongst the common villagers.

Meeting Baba Jarnail Singh

Baba Daya Singh and Baba Jarnail Singh

Baba Daya Singh Sursinghvale and Baba Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale were very close and the two used to meet quite often. Baba Jarnail Singh had begun the Dharam Yudh Morcha to fight for Sikh rights and this movement had become very popular amongst the Sikh youth. Baba Jarnail Singh’s words had spurred Sikh pride and revived the Sikh spirit in Punjab. Bhai Avtar Singh too heard Baba Jarnail Singh speak and felt the urge to help free the Sikh people from the clutches of the Brahmin government.

Sree Darbaar Sahib had been surrounded by now and it was clear that the government was preparing for a fight. On May 30, 1984, Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma and Bhai Amreek Singh JauRa decided that as Khalsa warriors, it was their duty to fight for Sikh freedom. They asked for leave from Baba Daya Singh and after saying their final Fateh to the other Singhs in the Jatha, left Sursingh for Sree Darbaar Sahib.

Bhai Avtar Singh and Bhai Amreek Singh went directly to Sree Akaal Takhat Sahib and presented themselves to Baba Jarnail Singh. With Baba jee were other Singhs such as Baba Thara Singh, Bhai Amrik Singh, Bhai Durga Sigh, Bhai Major Singh Nagoke, etc. Bhai Avtar Singh explained that they had come to defend Sree Darbaar Sahib and give their Shaheedee. After some discussion, Baba Jarnail Singh addressed the Singhs and said, “Your Shaheedee here will not be of as much value is it could be. The army has surrounded us and is ready to attack. Who knows what will happen in a few days? Go back to your villages and do simran. When the time is right, Singhs will come get you themselves. I am sending some other Singhs out of the complex today as well to continue the struggle after us. Jathedar Durga Singh will come get you when the time is right. You must go now so that the fight can continue…â€

Bhai Avtar Singh and Bhai Amreek Singh returned to their villages and waited. Three days later, the Indian Government attacked Sree Darbaar Sahib along with 37 other Gurdwaras. Thousands of Sikhs were butchered and Sree Akaal Takhat Sahib was destroyed.

The Next Phase

Baba Jarnail Singh had prepared for the next phase of the battle. Singhs like Bhai Durga Singh, Bhai Manbir Singh ChaheRu, Baba Gurbachan Singh Manochahal, Bhai Sukhdev Singh Sakhira, Bhai AruR Singh, Bhai Gurdev Singh Usman Vala, etc. had been sent out of the complex to organize the resistance. As promised, Bhai Durga Singh came and met Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma. A meeting had been organized in which a new Jathebandee, the “Khalistan Liberation Force†was created. The central Singhs of this jathebandee were Bhai Durga Singh, Bhai Kuldeep Singh Muchhal, Bhai Gurdeep Singh Vakeel, Bhai AruR Singh and Bhai Gurdev Singh.

Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma was an active Sikh fighter but when Bhai Arur Singh was captured by the Police and then martyred, Bhai Brahma rose to prominence as he was appointed the next Jathedar of Khalistan Liberation Force.

War on Invaders

Indian Security Forces had now flooded Punjab. The Central Army, Central Reserve Police Force, National Guard, Border Security Force, RAW, etc. had been deployed in full force in Punjab. These outsiders already had a dislike for Sikhs and now as they began to roam the villages and roads of Punjab, took special pleasure in humiliating Sikhs. Rapes became common and the sight of jeeps filled with soldiers became an all too regular terror.

Bhai Avtar Singh decided that these invading forces had to be taught a lesson. It was decided by the Jathebandee that a direct war should be waged. When CRPF, BSF or Army jeeps would come on a round, the Singhs would attack. The jeep was either stopped by a bomb and then showered with bullets or simply surrounded by Singhs.

In one instance, in village Baler, Bhai Brahama and the other Singhs surrounded a CRPF jeep. The CRPF men tried to flee while firing their guns, but were shot dead. The Singhs stripped them of their weapons and ammunition. The CRPF was furious. They went to village Baler and arbitrarily shot two farmers, Chatter Singh and Hazara Singh. To hide their ineptitude, the CRPF told reporters that in a major encounter, the CRPF men had been killed but they had also managed to shoot two “terroristsâ€. Bhai Avtar Singh sent a personal message to the newspapers and made clear that those who had been shot were innocent and not part of the Sikh Resistance. The CRPF was put to shame.

Where before the Indian Security Forces patrolled the streets to terrorize the Sikh villagers, it was now their turn to be terrorized. The Jeeps stopped patrolling many areas. Sikh fighters began to conduct their own patrols and entire areas of the Punjab were under the Khalsa’s control.

A Newspaper Report

Newspapers began to carry reports of the new Sikh rule and the powerlessness of the Indian Forces. One article carried the following report: “Accompanied by the district flood committee members, the Deputy Commissioner began his tour from Harike on the banks of the Sutlej downstream. As the convoy of vehicles containing all the officials was a little short of the last vulnerable point of the Indian side on the river, the team spotted three “babas†(a term used for terrorists) walking in the barata (sandy island on the river course).

Initially, there was panic as not many had actually seen a terrorist in real life. The three terrorist who had draped shawls around themselves obviously seemed to be carrying arms and were coming in from across the border as beyond that point was alien land.

On seeing the vehicles and the security personnel accompanying the DC, the three did not try to flee but just sat down. According to some, they took up positions.

An accompanying Superintendent of Police from Tarn Taran, Dharam Singh, took a few men and advanced towards the terrorists in an attempt to scare them, but the officials of the Irrigation and Drainage Department present suggested they avoid any provocation as very often repair work was being carried out in these areas and if the terrorist were harmed their accomplices would get even with these officials. The SP therefore came back and the plan to go any further for inspection was also dropped.

All this while, the three terrorists were sitting on the banks, but the moment the vehicles reversed to leave, they got up and began to cross the river, seemingly in a haughty mood.â€

The report also says that Sikh fighters “have also set up their own check points and persons who have to go beyond those points to work in their farms are frisked b themâ€. It concludes with the story of a CRPF patrol being intercepted by a tractor driven by Sikh fighters and the patrol being fired upon.

As jeeps upon jeeps of Indian Security Forces were beginning to be destroyed, and many areas becoming inaccessible to Indian Security, the Hindustani government was afraid that Punjab was fast slipping away.

Robin Hood: Shahid Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma Part II

Taken from “Jujharu Yodhay†by Maninder Singh Baja

Smear Campaign

Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma was becoming more and more well known for his operations against the Indian Government. Where his name was regularly mentioned and discussed in Government meetings, he had also become a folk hero in the Punjab. Village people talked about his bravery and his ability to accomplish even the most impossible of missions. For the police, every Singh and every Nihang was starting to look like “Brahmaâ€.

To discredit the Sikh Movement, the Indian Government had introduced gangs of thieves and murderers who dressed like Singhs but committed horrendous crimes upon innocent Sikh villagers. Bhai Avtar Singh made it a priority to punish these criminals.

Police Chief JF. Ribeiro met with his Captains and top officers and expressed is frustration that reports were coming that Brahma was called the King of the Mand area and the common people were all helping him and even idolizing him. The villagers would be beaten but even then they would not give any information on Brahma or his companions. Ribeiro ordered that Brahma should be discredited at all costs. Gangs should call themselves “Brahma’s men†and extort money and harass innocent people. People should come to hate the name “Brahmaâ€. They would then help the police capture him.

Ribeiro in Darbar Sahib Complex

Principles

Ribeiro had underestimated Bhai Avtar Singh. Bhai Avtar Singh did not tolerate extortions. When allegations were made against KLF’s Lt. Gen. PahaaR Singh, Bhai Brahma did a complete investigation and it was proven beyond a doubt that PahaaR Singh had been harassing and extorting money from Sikh families. Bhai Brahma himself shot PahaaR Singh dead and warned the other Singhs that anyone caught harassing innocent villagers or behaving inappropriately with women would be given the same fate as the Lt. General.

Bhai Avtar Singh announced that if anyone was being harassed, they should contact him and he would help them even at the cost of his own life. Bhai Brahma declared, “Our guns are pointed at those Police touts who torture Singhs and kill them in fake encounters. We do not believe in spilling the blood of any innocents. Our fight is against injustice, tyranny and oppression. Whoever is part of this will not be able to escape our sights.â€

Bhai Avtar Singh kept a very close watch on politics and made sure the corrupt Akali leadership. He sent them a warning that under his watch, he would not let them commit treachery with the Sikh people. The insincere Akalis became silent and quietly passed the days cursing their fate for having had to deal with someone as incorruptible as Bhai Avtar Singh. He demanded the Sikh politicians be principled.

Encounter at Manakpur

Bhai Avtar Singh was continuing his campaign against the invading Hindustani forces. He was surrounded on many occasions but would escape every time, bellowing insults and challenges at the enemy. One of Bhai Brahma’s most famous encounters occurred in village Manakpur. Bhai Avtar Singh and his fellow Singhs were in the area when the CRPF were tipped off. A total of 20 000 CRPF men flooded the Patti area and began closing in on Manakpur. The Singhs were surrounded and decided the only way out was through the ranks of the CRPF. The battle began and so many bullets were cutting through the air that it looked and sounded like a strong rain was falling. A bullet cut through Bhai Avtar Singh’s right hand and severed his right finger. Bhai Brahma was a Singh of the Bhai Bidhi Chand Dal and he called upon Guru Hargobind Sahib to save him like had once saved Bhai Bidhi Chand. It was as though Guru Sahib was himself protecting his Singh. Bhai Avtar Singh’s clothes and dastaar were marked by many bullet holes but his body was not being touched. Although some of the Singhs with him were martyred, Bhai Avtar Singh managed to break the cordon and escaped into the dark of the night.

Bhai Avtar Singh would show people his dastaar and clothes from that night and point out the countless bullet marks. People would be amazed and remark that Guru Sahib keeps his Singh today, just like he did in the past. Bhai Avtar Singh was convinced that he had escaped this time only so that he could continue his seva of fighting for Sikh liberation.

Inspiring Canadian and Western Sikhs

Top Row: (1)Bhai Brahma and Bhai PaRa, (2)Bhai PaRa and Bhai Sakheera, (3)Bhai Mohinder Singh, Bhai Brahma, Bhai Jarnail Singh

Bottom Row: (1)Bhai Hardev Singh Bapu, (2)Bhai Ravi

Bhai Avtar Singh’s exploits were now famous not only in all of Punjab and India, but also in the West. He had become a Sikh Robin Hood and every Punjabi would wait for the weekly newspaper to read about his adventures.

Many Sikh in the West were so inspired by Bhai Avtar Singh, that they decided to join him in the Movement. Bhai Avtar Singh supervised a training camp in which Indian Sikhs as well as Western Sikhs were given guerilla training. The recruits would then sneak back into India and join the fight. Bhai Avtar Singh preferred to stay on the battlefield in Punjab but used to go to the training camps at regular intervals as well. Bhai Avtar Singh served as a personal mentor to many of these Singhs.

Some of the more prominent Singhs to have gone and joined the fight from the West and then later become Shaheed were Bhai Harjinder Singh PaRa, a high school student from Toronto, Bhai Balbir Singh Sakheera from Calgary, Bhai Mohinder Singh Khalsa, Toronto, Bhai Bhupinder Singh BC, Bhai Hardev Singh “Bapu†UK, and Bhai Surinder Singh Ravi, Toronto. Each story deserves an article to itself and will be written at a later time.

Punishing Thanedar Chhiboo Ram

Chhiboo Ram

Shiv Singh was the Thanedar of village Chola Sahib in the Tarn Taran area. Although he looked like a Sikh, Chhiboo was passionately opposed to the Sikh movement and the people became to call him Chhiboo Ram. Chhiboo was from a backward class and in his newfound position of authority, took special pleasure in intimidating others. He was known as the most foul-mouthed police officer in Punjab and did not care about anyone’s honour, age or position. If someone rang their bicycle’s bell or the horn of a truck or car in the village bazaar, Chhiboo would slap them and release a barrage of foul curses.

The villagers in the area all were fans of Bhai Avtar Singh and talked amongst themselves about Brahma’s courage and ability. Many used to say that it would be a good day when Brahma finally met Chhiboo Ram and punished him for his crimes. Bhai Avtar Singh had heard about Chhiboo but said that he should be allowed to enjoy his power for awhile since he was after all from a socially low class.

Chhiboo used to tell him men to be on the lookout for Bhai Avtar Singh and boasted that by killing such a wanted terrorist, he would be promoted to Captain by Ribeiro.

One day, Thanedar Chhiboo Ram was sitting in a tea stall with other police officers when he began to abuse them. He said, “You bastards…you’re a bunch of donkeys. You can’t even get a clue about Brahma?†A policeman replied, “Sir, people are crazy about Brahma, no one gives any information about him.â€

Chhibbo replied, “You idiots, let the villagers make their own alcohol (an illegal act) and don’t interfere. Offer them bribes and tell them they can enjoy life if they have Brahma killed. Just watch how fasted the take our little Brahmee and present him to us. You people harass the villagers and take their money, that’s why they like Brahma.â€

Jathedar Durga Singh was also sitting in the tea stall at the same time, dressed in village clothing: a long kurta, chaadra and a messy dastaar. He overheard the policemen talking and approached them with an offer. He said, “Sir, give this job to me. I’ll quickly arrange for you to meet Brahma. You can then capture him yourselves. I want you to remember me but keep my identity a secret. I want to collect the bounty on Brahma’s head for turning him in, so I don’t want to be cheated either.â€

Thaneder Chhiboo Ram became excited and said, “Jatta, you let me meet Brahma and then your reard will be certain. The Police Chief will give you a letter of tribute and then you can go to any police station in Punjab and they will give you a seat of honour. The government will take care of your every need for the rest of your life.â€

The Jat got up from his seat and promised to arrange the meeting soon. As he left, Chhiboo Ram was dreaming of the stars that would appear on his arm if he was successful in killing Brahma. He would become nothing less than a DSP.

Jathedar Durga Singh returned to the hideout where Bhai Avtar Singh and the other Singhs were staying and announced, “Today I promised to give Thanedar Shiv Singh Chhiboo the darshan of Jathedar Avtar Singh Brahma. Singho, get ready because Chhiboo is very anxious to meet Bhai Brahma.â€

Bhai Brahma

Bhai Avtar Singh changed into a kurta pyjama and tied a regular dastaar. He picked a team of Singhs to join him for his “meetingâ€. The Singhs that would come with him were Jathedar BohaR Singh, Bhai Pippal Singh, Bhai Gurdev Singh Usmanvala, Bhai Gurdeep Singh Vakeel and Bhai Karnail Singh DC. The Singhs devised their plan and moved out.

Bhai Surinder Singh Shinda went to the police station and asked to meet with Chhiboo Ram. He told the Thanedar that he had been sent by the person he had met at the tea stall. He said that Brahma Nihang was on the road to Sarhali and it seemed that he had no weapons on him. Surinder Singh explained to Chhiboo Ram that the person he met at the tea-stall would meet him on the road and point Brahma out to him. Bhai Surinder Singh also explained that this was a great opportunity since it wouldn’t require many police officers to catch a defence-less Brahma.

Chhiboo Ram was jumping with joy that finally he would get Brahma and that too empty handed. He along with four other policemen commandeered a jeep and drove to Sarhali. When they reached a bridge near Sarhali, they saw in front of them Bhai Avtar Singh and Jathedar Durga Singh blocking the way. The Singhs with them were all sitting in their positions. Bhai Durga Singh motioned for the jeep to stop. He walked to the jeep and announced, “Thanedar Sahib, before you stands General Brahma. Take a good look. Do you like what you see?†Bhai Durga Singh then immediately ran to the side and the Singhs, with shouts of jaikaras, opened fire on the jeep. Chhiboo Ram was riddled with bullets and the driver of the jeep was killed as well. The remaining police officers were all badly injured and the Singhs removed their arms and ammunition and made their getaway.

The next day, newspapers reported an encounter at the bridge in which the Chola Sahib head of police, Shiv Singh had been killed along with 2 others. Four police officials were injured. The security forces surrounded the area but were unable to capture anyone. The Singhs slipped back into the swamps of the Mand. The legend of Bhai Brahma was growing.

Shahid Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma Conclusion

Taken from “Jujharu Yodhay†by Maninder Singh Baja

Operation Mand

Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma’s operations were becoming more and more daring each day and they even became a topic of discussion in India’s Home Ministry. Bhai Brahma was considered “King of the Mand†and so it was decided to send the Indian Forces there to search for him. Police Chief Ribeiro assigned “Operation Mand†to the new IG of the CRPF in Punjab, KP Gill.

The date of the operation was set for July 1986. The police expected many Sikh Fighters to come to the Mand for meetings during the local festival for Baba Dargahi Shah. This festival was attended by people of all faiths and the Singhs too gathered during this time to make plans. The Mand was a marshy, forested area that the police could not access, so the CRPF and Punjab Police were deployed in the thousands to surround the area. Ribeiro was certain that Bhai Avtar Singh and his fellow Singhs were in the area and now because of the cordon, could not escape. But still, the problem remained that the security forces could not go in en masse and they were too afraid to go in small groups. The solution chosen was to send in army helicopters to seek and kill the Sikh fighters.

CRPF men climbed aboard two helicopters and began to search for Bhai Brahma’s hideout. The helicopters began to hover lower to the ground and below them were hiding Jathedar Durga Singh and his men. The Singhs opened fire on the helicopter with such force and volume that it crashed in flames into the marsh. The pilot and all the CRPF men were killed on impact. The Singhs shouted jaikaray and trained their sights on the next helicopter. The pilot had seen what had happened to his companion and decided his mission was impossible. After trying to avoid fire for a short while, he decided to go back to base. Of all the forces surrounding the area, no one had the courage to enter and attempt to rescue the men who had gone down with the helicopter.

As night fell, the Singhs, who were familiar with the area, made their escape. The CRPF and Punjab Police had been completely frustrated and to avoid embarrassment, arrested some farmers who lived around the Mand and claimed Brahma’s men had been captured. The next day’s newspapers carried a statement from the CRPF that one of their helicopters had collided with a tall tree and crashed, resulting in the death of the pilot and the men aboard.

Years later, Ribeiro in his autobiography, “Bullet for Bullet†(1998) wrote, “KPS Gill had been inducted as IG, CRPF, in charge of Punjab operations. He was an excellent operations man and it was he who conceived and planned the Mand operation. We faced some criticism from the press since not a single terrorist was caught in the operation†(pg. 283).

Brahmpura Nightmare

The police were completely frustrated by Bhai Avtar Singh. They began to take their frustration out on the entire village of Brahmpura. Bhai Avtar Singh’s brothers were special targets of the police but no one was spared. An entire platoon of the CRPF was placed in the village school to terrorise the area.

When Bhai Brahma heard about the police excesses, he decided to do something about it. On December 27, 1986 Bhai Brahma and his fellow Singhs entered Brahmpura around midnight. He went to the Gurdwara and after offering his respects, turned on the roof speaker. Bhai Avtar Singh took the microphone and announced, “Residents of Brahmpura, I am your Avtar Singh speaking. I know that the CRPF is harassing you because of me and asking you to tell them my whereabouts. I challenge the CRPF: if you have the courage, come and get Avtar Singh Brahma. There’s no bravery in bothering the innocent villagers here. Let’s have a contest of bravery today and satisfy ourselves. You have weapons and so do we. Let’s have a real encounter tonight and in the morning you can count how many of your men the Singhs have mowed down. Come on CRPF-valio! You are proud of the strength of Delhi and it’s army and we are proud of our Guru. We are Guru Gobind Singh’s sons and we can fight 125 000 alone.â€

Bhai Avtar Singh had been heard through the entire vilalge. He waited a while and seeing no response, began again, “CRPF-valio! Come out of your quarters! Brahma, a Sikh of the Guru is waiting for you. The Brahma you couldn’t find in the Mand is now waiting for you! I don’t believe in spilling the blood of innocents and I don’t attack those without weapons. I’m here to meet you now. CRPF-valio, you can meet me any way and any time. Give up your bothering of innocents and come in front of Brahma and satisfy your desire to prove your bravery! Bolay So Nihaal! Sat Sree Akaal!!! Vaahiguru Jee Ka Khalsa Vaahiguru Jee Kee Fateh!â€

For a full 25 minutes Bhai Avtar Singh challenged the CRPF on the speaker and waited for over an hour for them to come out. Not a single person came. The Singhs, seeing that no one was brave enough to face them, left the village while bellowing jaikaraas.

Even after the Singhs had left, the terrified CRPF platoon cowered in their base. When they were sure that Brahma had left, they came out. They had been shamed in front of the entire village. The CRPF went berserk and decided to take revenge on the Sikh villagers. Families were dragged out of their houses and the women were raped. One woman had her ear bitten off by a crazed CRPF officer.

Five women were brought together and their clothes were ripped off. One younger girl ran naked to save herself and spent the rest of the cold December night hiding in the bushes.

The CRPF raided Brahmpura's Gurdwara Sahib and began to shoot at a saroop of Sree Guru Granth Sahib. Once that saroop had been riddled with bullets, another Saroop was taken out of the Gurdwara Sahib and lit on fire.

The entire Sikh population of Punjab was horrified and shocked and news of this night of terror even became international. It was demanded that action be taken against the guilty CRPF. Even Ribeiro admitted that what had happened was disgusting and publicly apologized but in his autobiography, he writes, “KPS Gill was then IG of the CRPF. He was not willing to take any action against his men. He approached the home ministry in Delhi to ensure that sanction was not accorded for criminal prosecution. Finally, the Government of India did not sanction the prosecution.†The guilty CRPF battalion was removed and replaced with another. This was the greatness of Indian justice. KP Gill was later appointed DGP of Punjab Police because of his ruthless mentality.

Renewed Efforts

Bhai Avtar Singh and his fellow Singhs decided to give the Brahmpura incident a suitable reply. CRPF bases were attacked with rockets and blown apart. Bhai Brahma and Jathedar Durga Singh continued to take on all the invading forces and every week news would come of a new guerrilla attack and whole companies being destroyed. The people were all crazy about Brahma and gave him their complete support.

The Final Battle

Bhai Brahma, when leaving the training camp for the final time had told some Singhs near to him that he would not return. He knew that his shahidi was fast approaching. That day finally arrived on July 22, 1988.

Bhai Avtar Singh and his fellow Singhs, Bhai Surinder Singh and Bhai Jarnail Singh DC were in Rajasthan near the Pakistan border. They had decided to cross and were staying with a Nihang Singh of the Sursingh Jatha. The Singhs approached the border and as they were about to cross, were spotted by the Border Security Force. The Singhs were surrounded but fought their way out. Again, on a tip, the BSF surrounded them a little distance away and once again the Singhs escaped.

Bhai Avtar Singh and his fellow Singhs were still on the move when they were surrounded a third time. Bhai Brahma knew that their ammunition was close to exhausted and he ordered the Singhs that they should escape but in no case should the fall into the hands of the BSF. Bhai Avtar Singh took a position in a green field and held the BSF back as the Singhs broke the cordon. Bhai Jarnail Singh and Bhai Surinder Singh were successful and managed to escape.

The BSF now focused on the field and showered it with bullets. Bhai Brahma was struck in the stomach but despite the pain, continued to battle. The BSF did not have the courage to approach the lone tiger and even in his wounded state, Bhai Brahma was proving deadly. Finally the shooting stopped and the BSF approached the body. As they did to every shahid Singh, they ripped Bhai Brahma's dastaar from his head and stripped off his clothes and took his body to the police station. They were so terrified of the Legend of Brahma, that they could not be assured that this was really him. Photographs of the body were sent to Punjab but no one could confirm the idenity. The Singhs too did not confirm that their General had been martyred. Newspapers debated whether Bhai Brahma was alive or dead and the security forces too could not believe that Brahma had fallen. Only when Bhai Bhupinder Singh Canadian was arrested and he identified the body from pictures did the police finally know for sure that they had got their man. Bhai Bhupinder Singh was also later killed in a fake encounter.

Aftermath

An Akhand Paath Sahib in the memory of Bhai Avtar Singh was held in village Brahmpura. Baba Daya Singh, Jathedar of Baba Bidhi Chand Dal hoisted a nishaan sahib in his memory. The Jathebandi appointed Bhai Gurdeep Singh Vakeel as the next Jathedar of the KLF.

Bhai Avtar Singh had left behind a strong and principled Jatha of Singhs who continued to be a nightmare for the Indian government.

Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma was a legend in the Punjab and during his lifetime, whole areas of the Punjab had become sovereign. Bhai Sahib’s firm Gurmat principles won the hearts of the people and struck terror into the hearts of the Hindustani forces. As time passed, such Singhs became more and more rare and the movement slowed down and finally stopped. May Guru Sahib send us another Brahma in today’s desperate times.

if you also want to see the pics go to.... http://www.tapoban.org/phorum/read.php?f=1...817#reply_33839 ....and jus follow tha link at the top backwards...

DHAN GUROO DHAN GUROO PIAARAY!!!!

Vaahiguroo Jee Kaa Khaalsaa Vaahiguroo Jee KEe Fathe!!!!

[jagjit_waheguru]

waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh

Pyare jio, I am glad you have had a change of mind. Your tone from your first post, which was of one where you talked to and asked for it apologies from shaheeds, to know where you realise what a shaheed is. Please go back now and read your first post, and maybe you will see why we were not happy with it.

Not just for you, but for all of our benefit, we must understand what a Shaheed is? A shaheed is only a Shaheed is he is accepted as one by the Dharam raaj. that is only decided by his sincereity, actions, thoughts and seva. Shaheed is a much misused word. Punjab police uses it for their villanous officers, Muslims uses for suicide bombers who kill mere innocents in what is nothing more than a hate crime, and even nespapers editors use it for their members who may have just been killed because of personal or business dealings.

Real Shaheeds are "virley" (a few). They are those who become astral spirits on the behest on Akaal purkh. Possibly even many we percieve as Shaheeds may not be, only Akaal knows. But we must remeber the value of these words and what they stand for.

Pyare jio, Veer ji, everyone has a problem with any imposters, not just you. Which why any imposter will never be conmsidered a shaheed. It will be good for you to research the jeevans of many Shaheed Gursikhs. I will try and collate some for you aswell.

Once again veer ji, you have ignored my questions and posts. Before you do anything, please respond to my last post on the first thread about Guru Kian sakkian. I have posted many questions on there, which are at the heart of your numerous sampardaya theories, where as I believe on One Guru, One Guru Granth sahib and One Guru Khalsa Panth.

waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh

Which is why i humbly ask you. You may have made a mistake this time, but in future please think carefully before you write, and criticize, and talk nonsense of others.

I have made no mistakes in this thread. you should show this guilt trips game card to someone one else.

I have full faith in shaheeds (ie- sant jarnail singh bhindranwale, bhai sahib bhai fauja singh ji and others) who have not killed any innocent and fought against oppressors of the panth.. My head namaskar to their shaheediya's. Hope our young generation take the inspiration from them.

However, I have a huge problem with imposters who killed innocent people in their course of their chardi-kalah mission and i will question their creditblity of being shaheeds at the first place all my life whenever this topic of matyrdom comes in.

I ll try to research each panth/jatha declared shaheeds and their lifes and their acts and if such panthic/jatha declared "shaheeds" have killed any innocent people while carrying "dangerous operations" against GOI, i ll let the sangat know with the references. In this course of this research, i ll also take inspiration from their life just to let you know, so i won't be frantically lookin for scapegoats to put all the blame.

May be you should direct me with sources in this research.

Hopefully i made myself clear.

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