Gurbani And Our Gurus

[Balbir Singh]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!

Dear all!

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is incorporated with the hymns (Baanee) from many enlightened beings as Kabir Ji, Namdev

Ji, Jaidev Ji, Pipa Ji, Sain Ji, Ravidas Ji, Farid Ji and others.

For Sikhs Baanee is Guru and Guru is Baanee.

Do all God beings, whose Baanee is included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, become automatically our Gurus?

Please express your views.

Balbir Singh

[DhadiMania]

a very good question.

when we say guru is banee, this is a reference to god himself, remember this word came from god.

hence "dhur ki banee aye"

dhur being a reference to bhaghat dhru, whose immovable faith made him to where he was, i.e. god saved him, exactly the same way, the worlds immovable faith for god was rewarded with bani coming down to the earth because the world needed it and they had the faith that bani would come down.

persoanlly, i think those who wrote in SGGS (i.e the bhagats) were not our gurus, because they already had gurus.

bhagat ravidas was swami ramanands disciple. and yet when the sidhas asked guru nanak dev ji (in the sidh gosht), who is your guru? guru nanak dev ji replied god was.

all the gurus eventually have their roots related into god, that they got their gyaan from maharaj himself, this is why when we have quotes such as bani guru guru hai bani these pankhtees are often saying bani is god, god is bani.

remember there are many metaphors in SGGS for example, guru ji sometimes describes himself as a wife who needs protection and god being her husband

it isnt literally, its just connnoting guru ji was saying he needed support of maharaj.

but ill leave this to a singh that knows more than i do.

bhul chukke muaff

[Balbir Singh]

Satsriakal to all and Kandola Ji!

You wrote "when we say guru is banee, this is a reference to god himself, remember this word came from god."

Baanee from Guru is Guru Ki Baanee. Why it is God's Baanee?

Is Baanee from all of us not from God himself? Who else is speaking in us other than Raam?

Then you explained "dhur being a reference to bhaghat dhru, whose immovable faith made him to where he was."

Dhru is supposed to become a fixed star. Dhru had also immovable faith. How it happened that Baanee, which is movable being a flow, got the name 'Dhur Ki Baanee'? Please elaborate.

Your view is "persoanlly, i think those who wrote in SGGS (i.e the bhagats) were not our gurus, because they already had gurus."

Are you sure that those, who already had Gurus, are not our Gurus?

Was Guru Nanak Ji not the Guru of Bhai Lehna Ji?

You mentioned metaphors from Gurbani.

I feel metaphors remain till those are revealed.

Thanks for your input.

Balbir Singh

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

the true guru is a messenger of God chosen by God. Only a satguru or true guru who is one with akaal can recognize dhur ki baani. Our guru sahibs who incorporated baani from bhagats and other great saints were true satgurus who recognized dhur ki baani from other saints and gave this gift to all of humanity for it's upliftment. In addition to including baani from their own divine mouths sent to them from God they also preserved the sacred baani of other great bhagats who were one with akaal.

peace.

[ms514]

Sat Sri Akal:

From Katha at Gurudwara Sahib:

Guru Arjun Sahib was reciting Gurbani that Bhai Gurdas Sahib was devotedly writing down in what was to become the Adi Granth Sahib. Guru Arjun Sahib began to recite the Bhagat Banis. Bhai Gurdas Sahib asked why Guru Sahib was reciting Bhagat Bani. Guru Arjun Sahib responded to Bhai Sahib to return tommorrow and he will get the answer. As Bhai Gurdas Sahib returned the next day, he saw Guru Arjun Sahib, but within him the souls of all the Bhagats as well.

Therefore, whatever Gurbani has been included in the Guru Granth Sahib IS recited by the Gurus. It has their approval and it is there because it matches the Sikh thought. That Bani IS the Gurbani of the Sikhs because the Gurus uttered it from their blessed mouths for our salvation. Gurbani is the Guru. We have respect for the human forms of the Gurus that came to the world to deliver the message, but it is the message that is Supreme..that is the reason that the human form of the Gurus is not celebrated (aka. idol worship).

There is something to be learned when Guru Arjun Sahib himself sat at a lower level of Guru Granth Sahib. The SHABAD GURU is what the Sikhs were to follow. There is even a Sakhi of Guru Hargobind Sahib times. Sikhs began to recite Gurbani and Guru Sahib immediately got up from his higher seat with the Sikhs reciting Gurbani. The Sikhs were stunned, as Guru Sahib had injured his knee from such a sudden move. The reason, Guru Sahib explained, was because Gurbani should always have the highest respect.

Bhul Chuk Maaf.

[Mehtab Singh]

Sat Sri Akal:

From Katha at Gurudwara Sahib:

Guru Arjun Sahib was reciting Gurbani that Bhai Gurdas Sahib was devotedly writing down in what was to become the Adi Granth Sahib.  Guru Arjun Sahib began to recite the Bhagat Banis.  Bhai Gurdas Sahib asked why Guru Sahib was reciting Bhagat Bani.  Guru Arjun Sahib responded to Bhai Sahib to return tommorrow and he will get the answer.  As Bhai Gurdas Sahib returned the next day, he saw Guru Arjun Sahib, but within him the souls of all the Bhagats as well.

Therefore, whatever Gurbani has been included in the Guru Granth Sahib IS recited by the Gurus.  It has their approval and it is there because it matches the Sikh thought.  That Bani IS the Gurbani of the Sikhs because the Gurus uttered it from their blessed mouths for our salvation.  Gurbani is the Guru.  We have respect for the human forms of the Gurus that came to the world to deliver the message, but it is the message that is Supreme..that is the reason that the human form of the Gurus is not celebrated (aka. idol worship). 

There is something to be learned when Guru Arjun Sahib himself sat at a lower level of Guru Granth Sahib.  The SHABAD GURU is what the Sikhs were to follow.  There is even a Sakhi of Guru Hargobind Sahib times.  Sikhs began to recite Gurbani and Guru Sahib immediately got up from his higher seat with the Sikhs reciting Gurbani.  The Sikhs were stunned, as Guru Sahib had injured his knee from such a sudden move.  The reason, Guru Sahib explained, was because Gurbani should always have the highest respect.

Bhul Chuk Maaf.

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Wonderful!

[Balbir Singh]

Satsriakal to all and mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan Ji!

You wrote "In addition to including baani from their own divine mouths sent to them from God they also preserved the

sacred baani of other great bhagats who were one with akaal."

Does this show that other great Bhagats whose Baanee is sung, spoken and written and preserved by our Gurus in Sri

Guru Granth Sahib Ji are also our Gurus?

ms514 Ji!

Thanks for your stories. Please provide the original source of those also.

You wrote about great Bhagat's Baanee "It has their approval and it is there because it matches the Sikh thought."

I do not feel that Sikhi is a Thought or thought process.

I feel that Sikhi is a way of living by doing Simran.

You also wrote " . . . that is the reason that the human form of the Gurus is not celebrated (aka. idol worship)."

May I ask why we celebrate birthdays of Guru Nanak Ji, Guru Gobind Singh Ji and other Gurus every year separately?

Is it not related with their human birth?

The original question asked here is "Do all God beings, whose Baanee is included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, become

automatically our Gurus?"

Would you please answer it with yes or no, with your explanations naturally.

Thanks.

Balbir Singh

[ms514]

Sat Sri Akal:

Source: Damdami Taksal. Feel free to contact them.

Why we celebrate the Gurus? First, Gurbani is sung. Secondly, the lives of the Gurus show Sikhs how to live as a Sikh in line with Gurbani. Therefore, we respect the messenger for the delivering of the message and showing how to carry it out, but the message is the supreme and eternal.

The message is the Shabad Guru. Sikhs are to follow that message. The message was delivered by the ten embodiments of the Guru and invested into the Guru Granth Sahib.

The question has been answered, just not the way you want it to be.

[crayzy]

I also think we celebrate their birthdays in thanks for them coming at all; we love them; its an excuse to do a load of seva and a lot of paath.

<<Does this show that other great Bhagats whose Baanee is sung, spoken and written and preserved by our Gurus in Sri

Guru Granth Sahib Ji are also our Gurus?>>

There is only one Guru - all Bhagats that achieve the highest state blend into one with akaal.

logically: Guru Granth Sahib is our Guru. Bhagat Bani is inside Guru Granth Sahib. So Bhagat Bani is our Guru too.

As far as Guru Nanak Dev Ji being Bhai Lehna's Guru - yes, this just reinforces waht im saying. Bhai Lehna became Guru Angad Dev Ji, or Mahala 2.

Even though the Bhagats had Gurdevs they became Bhramgiani - there is no distinction between Bhramgiani and God. It is said many times in Guru Granth Sahib that GOd and his Saints are one.

In the same way, a Bhagat, if youre lucky enough to find one, can be your Gurudev which would make learning true Sikhi much much easier.

[Balbir Singh]

Satsriakal to all and ms514 Ji!

There is a wonderful Vaak under your emblem of Khanda "Sant Milay Kich Suniai Kaheeai."

I hoped to hear something from you about the original question.

Balbir Singh