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A Sikh should live like the lotus flower, surrounded by dirt, but always seems to float above it. So it's not so much about where one goes, its about what he or she does when they go there. There is a huge gap between Sikhs who actually live a Gursikh lifestyle and the ones who dont, and no one wants to make bridges to unite the two and work together to realize what true Sikhi is.

I feel it is every Sikhs duty to go out and bring the ones who have gone off track back to Sikhi, otherwise u can keep complaining about Sikhs drinking, smoking and cutting their hair all u want, nothing is going to change.

We need to build bridges and i feel that Tigerstyle are doing just that. You dont have to follow their method or even agree with it, find out how u can bridge those huge gaps that we're all responsible for making.

This is just my opinion, sorry if i've offended anyone.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

But veerji i highly doubt he does parchar in clubs... but then i know nothing about him, his jeevan and his avastha.... but its my personal opinion that one with gurujis kakkar should be setting good example. Feeding manmukhs with pure manmat is not an act of gursikh. It is sad he does that, but seeing sangat being complacent about it is worse.

There's actually two of them, they're brothers and of course they dont do prachaar in clubs. But think of it like this, if on one side they're making pointless bhangra songs and the other side they're making dharmik songs which talk about the heroic deeds of Gursikhs and the kurbanian they made, im sure that one day the same person listening to those bhangra songs will listen to the dharmik songs and possibily be inspired.

I was inspired in the same way, i regularly listened to bhangra songs (still do, just not as much) then heard some dharmik tracks (some of them being tigerstyles) that had good music and amazing lyrcis, that slowly got me more into Sikhi and made me want to become a better Sikh, as a result i cant go a day without reading Gurbani!

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A Sikh should live like the lotus flower, surrounded by dirt, but always seems to float above it. So it's not so much about where one goes, its about what he or she does when they go there. There is a huge gap between Sikhs who actually live a Gursikh lifestyle and the ones who dont, and no one wants to make bridges to unite the two and work together to realize what true Sikhi is.

I feel it is every Sikhs duty to go out and bring the ones who have gone off track back to Sikhi, otherwise u can keep complaining about Sikhs drinking, smoking and cutting their hair all u want, nothing is going to change.

We need to build bridges and i feel that Tigerstyle are doing just that. You dont have to follow their method or even agree with it, find out how u can bridge those huge gaps that we're all responsible for making.

This is just my opinion, sorry if i've offended anyone.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

But veerji i highly doubt he does parchar in clubs... but then i know nothing about him, his jeevan and his avastha.... but its my personal opinion that one with gurujis kakkar should be setting good example. Feeding manmukhs with pure manmat is not an act of gursikh. It is sad he does that, but seeing sangat being complacent about it is worse.

There's actually two of them, they're brothers and of course they dont do prachaar in clubs. But think of it like this, if on one side they're making pointless bhangra songs and the other side they're making dharmik songs which talk about the heroic deeds of Gursikhs and the kurbanian they made, im sure that one day the same person listening to those bhangra songs will listen to the dharmik songs and possibily be inspired.

I was inspired in the same way, i regularly listened to bhangra songs (still do, just not as much) then heard some dharmik tracks (some of them being tigerstyles) that had good music and amazing lyrcis, that slowly got me more into Sikhi and made me want to become a better Sikh, as a result i cant go a day without reading Gurbani!

d_oh.gif to you for soo much love for bani. But i cant visualise a gursikh dj'ing in club. Could you see granthi of your local gurudwara dj'ing at night in a club? I can't. Parchar has to be done in right way. guru nanak devji used to go to bad places, but used to sing elahi bani and nothing else. Guru Gobind shinghji's horse would not even take a step into a tabacoo field, and we are not worried gursikhs visiting places where such things are abundant. But then everyone has their share of flaws and noone is perfect. May guruji put right sense in every gursikh.

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A Sikh should live like the lotus flower, surrounded by dirt, but always seems to float above it. So it's not so much about where one goes, its about what he or she does when they go there. There is a huge gap between Sikhs who actually live a Gursikh lifestyle and the ones who dont, and no one wants to make bridges to unite the two and work together to realize what true Sikhi is.

I feel it is every Sikhs duty to go out and bring the ones who have gone off track back to Sikhi, otherwise u can keep complaining about Sikhs drinking, smoking and cutting their hair all u want, nothing is going to change.

We need to build bridges and i feel that Tigerstyle are doing just that. You dont have to follow their method or even agree with it, find out how u can bridge those huge gaps that we're all responsible for making.

This is just my opinion, sorry if i've offended anyone.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

But veerji i highly doubt he does parchar in clubs... but then i know nothing about him, his jeevan and his avastha.... but its my personal opinion that one with gurujis kakkar should be setting good example. Feeding manmukhs with pure manmat is not an act of gursikh. It is sad he does that, but seeing sangat being complacent about it is worse.

There's actually two of them, they're brothers and of course they dont do prachaar in clubs. But think of it like this, if on one side they're making pointless bhangra songs and the other side they're making dharmik songs which talk about the heroic deeds of Gursikhs and the kurbanian they made, im sure that one day the same person listening to those bhangra songs will listen to the dharmik songs and possibily be inspired.

I was inspired in the same way, i regularly listened to bhangra songs (still do, just not as much) then heard some dharmik tracks (some of them being tigerstyles) that had good music and amazing lyrcis, that slowly got me more into Sikhi and made me want to become a better Sikh, as a result i cant go a day without reading Gurbani!

d_oh.gif to you for soo much love for bani. But i cant visualise a gursikh dj'ing in club. Could you see granthi of your local gurudwara dj'ing at night in a club? I can't. Parchar has to be done in right way. guru nanak devji used to go to bad places, but used to sing elahi bani and nothing else. Guru Gobind shinghji's horse would not even take a step into a tabacoo field, and we are not worried gursikhs visiting places where such things are abundant. But then everyone has their share of flaws and noone is perfect. May guruji put right sense in every gursikh.

I understand what ur saying and ultimately no Sikh should indulge in manmat activities that take us away from Sikhi. But things have gotten so bad that we're really not left with many options, we have to unfortunately go into areas that a Sikh shouldnt have to and inspire others. It is obvious that one who finds peace at a club isnt going to find peace at a gurdwara, and one that finds peace at a gurdwara, well he doesnt need to go anywhere else to find peace, but there has to be a method to bring the ones who have fallen off track back to Sikhi.

We dont have Sikhs in the media to inspire others, and if we do, they dont even have Sikhi saroop, so that doesnt help.

So what method do we use? We cant go up to someone who doesnt have any morals or values, who drinks, smokes, cuts his or her hair and start talking about Waheguru and Sikhi, there has to be a smart approach, one that brings them closer without us preaching over them, only then will people of today be inspired.

People during our Guru's times believed in God and actually tried ways to get closer to him, it was mainly the practices (mindless rituals and superstitions) that our Guru's questioned, today people dont even believe in God, and even if they do, they dont care. So things have gotten a lot worse than they once used to be.

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A Sikh should live like the lotus flower, surrounded by dirt, but always seems to float above it. So it's not so much about where one goes, its about what he or she does when they go there. There is a huge gap between Sikhs who actually live a Gursikh lifestyle and the ones who dont, and no one wants to make bridges to unite the two and work together to realize what true Sikhi is.

I feel it is every Sikhs duty to go out and bring the ones who have gone off track back to Sikhi, otherwise u can keep complaining about Sikhs drinking, smoking and cutting their hair all u want, nothing is going to change.

We need to build bridges and i feel that Tigerstyle are doing just that. You dont have to follow their method or even agree with it, find out how u can bridge those huge gaps that we're all responsible for making.

This is just my opinion, sorry if i've offended anyone.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

But veerji i highly doubt he does parchar in clubs... but then i know nothing about him, his jeevan and his avastha.... but its my personal opinion that one with gurujis kakkar should be setting good example. Feeding manmukhs with pure manmat is not an act of gursikh. It is sad he does that, but seeing sangat being complacent about it is worse.

There's actually two of them, they're brothers and of course they dont do prachaar in clubs. But think of it like this, if on one side they're making pointless bhangra songs and the other side they're making dharmik songs which talk about the heroic deeds of Gursikhs and the kurbanian they made, im sure that one day the same person listening to those bhangra songs will listen to the dharmik songs and possibily be inspired.

I was inspired in the same way, i regularly listened to bhangra songs (still do, just not as much) then heard some dharmik tracks (some of them being tigerstyles) that had good music and amazing lyrcis, that slowly got me more into Sikhi and made me want to become a better Sikh, as a result i cant go a day without reading Gurbani!

d_oh.gif to you for soo much love for bani. But i cant visualise a gursikh dj'ing in club. Could you see granthi of your local gurudwara dj'ing at night in a club? I can't. Parchar has to be done in right way. guru nanak devji used to go to bad places, but used to sing elahi bani and nothing else. Guru Gobind shinghji's horse would not even take a step into a tabacoo field, and we are not worried gursikhs visiting places where such things are abundant. But then everyone has their share of flaws and noone is perfect. May guruji put right sense in every gursikh.

I understand what ur saying and ultimately no Sikh should indulge in manmat activities that take us away from Sikhi. But things have gotten so bad that we're really not left with many options, we have to unfortunately go into areas that a Sikh shouldnt have to and inspire others. It is obvious that one who finds peace at a club isnt going to find peace at a gurdwara, and one that finds peace at a gurdwara, well he doesnt need to go anywhere else to find peace, but there has to be a method to bring the ones who have fallen off track back to Sikhi.

We dont have Sikhs in the media to inspire others, and if we do, they dont even have Sikhi saroop, so that doesnt help.

So what method do we use? We cant go up to someone who doesnt have any morals or values, who drinks, smokes, cuts his or her hair and start talking about Waheguru and Sikhi, there has to be a smart approach, one that brings them closer without us preaching over them, only then will people of today be inspired.

People during our Guru's times believed in God and actually tried ways to get closer to him, it was mainly the practices (mindless rituals and superstitions) that our Guru's questioned, today people dont even believe in God, and even if they do, they dont care. So things have gotten a lot worse than they once used to be.

The question is do we need QUANTITY or QUALITY? Sikhism is not a missionary religion. Guruji went around preaching the true message of GOD, and it was left upto ppl to follow it or not. Gurudwaras, sikhs camps and likes are better place for parchar. One who has inclination to learn will find the path. Preach to someone who is intrested to learn. Someone coming to gurudwara has intention to learn whereas one in club doesnt. Moreover tigerstyle might be earning for his gigs. Parchar is to be done selflessly to be able to produce results.

On the end note, we can go on debating this forever. I dont know much about tigerstyle's jeewan and might earn sin doing his nindya here. If you were inspired by him to join sikhi then its great thing to know. Its different matter if you would pursue same approach to do parchar or not. I certainly will not. So lets hold on to u our personal beliefs and pray to guruji so that right sense can prevail.

Waheguruji ka khalsa

Waheguruji ki fateh

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A Sikh should live like the lotus flower, surrounded by dirt, but always seems to float above it. So it's not so much about where one goes, its about what he or she does when they go there. There is a huge gap between Sikhs who actually live a Gursikh lifestyle and the ones who dont, and no one wants to make bridges to unite the two and work together to realize what true Sikhi is.

I feel it is every Sikhs duty to go out and bring the ones who have gone off track back to Sikhi, otherwise u can keep complaining about Sikhs drinking, smoking and cutting their hair all u want, nothing is going to change.

We need to build bridges and i feel that Tigerstyle are doing just that. You dont have to follow their method or even agree with it, find out how u can bridge those huge gaps that we're all responsible for making.

This is just my opinion, sorry if i've offended anyone.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

But veerji i highly doubt he does parchar in clubs... but then i know nothing about him, his jeevan and his avastha.... but its my personal opinion that one with gurujis kakkar should be setting good example. Feeding manmukhs with pure manmat is not an act of gursikh. It is sad he does that, but seeing sangat being complacent about it is worse.

There's actually two of them, they're brothers and of course they dont do prachaar in clubs. But think of it like this, if on one side they're making pointless bhangra songs and the other side they're making dharmik songs which talk about the heroic deeds of Gursikhs and the kurbanian they made, im sure that one day the same person listening to those bhangra songs will listen to the dharmik songs and possibily be inspired.

I was inspired in the same way, i regularly listened to bhangra songs (still do, just not as much) then heard some dharmik tracks (some of them being tigerstyles) that had good music and amazing lyrcis, that slowly got me more into Sikhi and made me want to become a better Sikh, as a result i cant go a day without reading Gurbani!

d_oh.gif to you for soo much love for bani. But i cant visualise a gursikh dj'ing in club. Could you see granthi of your local gurudwara dj'ing at night in a club? I can't. Parchar has to be done in right way. guru nanak devji used to go to bad places, but used to sing elahi bani and nothing else. Guru Gobind shinghji's horse would not even take a step into a tabacoo field, and we are not worried gursikhs visiting places where such things are abundant. But then everyone has their share of flaws and noone is perfect. May guruji put right sense in every gursikh.

I understand what ur saying and ultimately no Sikh should indulge in manmat activities that take us away from Sikhi. But things have gotten so bad that we're really not left with many options, we have to unfortunately go into areas that a Sikh shouldnt have to and inspire others. It is obvious that one who finds peace at a club isnt going to find peace at a gurdwara, and one that finds peace at a gurdwara, well he doesnt need to go anywhere else to find peace, but there has to be a method to bring the ones who have fallen off track back to Sikhi.

We dont have Sikhs in the media to inspire others, and if we do, they dont even have Sikhi saroop, so that doesnt help.

So what method do we use? We cant go up to someone who doesnt have any morals or values, who drinks, smokes, cuts his or her hair and start talking about Waheguru and Sikhi, there has to be a smart approach, one that brings them closer without us preaching over them, only then will people of today be inspired.

People during our Guru's times believed in God and actually tried ways to get closer to him, it was mainly the practices (mindless rituals and superstitions) that our Guru's questioned, today people dont even believe in God, and even if they do, they dont care. So things have gotten a lot worse than they once used to be.

The question is do we need QUANTITY or QUALITY? Sikhism is not a missionary religion. Guruji went around preaching the true message of GOD, and it was left upto ppl to follow it or not. Gurudwaras, sikhs camps and likes are better place for parchar. One who has inclination to learn will find the path. Preach to someone who is intrested to learn. Someone coming to gurudwara has intention to learn whereas one in club doesnt. Moreover tigerstyle might be earning for his gigs. Parchar is to be done selflessly to be able to produce results.

On the end note, we can go on debating this forever. I dont know much about tigerstyle's jeewan and might earn sin doing his nindya here. If you were inspired by him to join sikhi then its great thing to know. Its different matter if you would pursue same approach to do parchar or not. I certainly will not. So lets hold on to u our personal beliefs and pray to guruji so that right sense can prevail.

Waheguruji ka khalsa

Waheguruji ki fateh

I'm not talking about taking a missionary approach, im talking about educating and bringing those back who have fallen off.

I'm not concerned about quantity either, but im talking about those of us who complain when Sikhs are cutting their hair, drinking and smoking but really dont wanna do anything to fix this problem.

In closing, we havent discovered a method to really go out and do prachaar, the people who do prachaar and listen to it are the same people who go to gurdwara regularly and live a Gursikh lifestyle.

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Trust me all about kirtan, I was a dj once 2, djed places, but with sikhi u dnt need music man, whats the point of listening 2 music its a waste of time (MY OPPINION, U MAY NOT AGREE)!!

wHATS BETETR THEN SIKHI?

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Trust me all about kirtan, I was a dj once 2, djed places, but with sikhi u dnt need music man, whats the point of listening 2 music its a waste of time (MY OPPINION, U MAY NOT AGREE)!!

wHATS BETETR THEN SIKHI?

VJKK VJKF!

Veerjee.. It's very wrong to say listening to other "CLEAN" music is NOT allowed or it's like a BAD thing.. We manmat ppl can't say to others what is wrong or what is right unless we fully cleaned our souls like bhai sahib Randhir singh ji, sant kartar singh ji, sant jarnail singh ji etc.. . Yes, listening to other music is waste of time, so is sleeping, spending time with family, eating etc.. We waste 5 to 8 hours daily in sleep and it's pretty much waste of time and i don't hear any topic on our thread saying sleeping is manmat and it should be avoided and we all know (at least me) sleeps for like at least 8 hrs and i know most of the other members of this forum sleep like me blush.gif

I did went to the DJ clubs/gigs once or twice but i never felt that i belong to those kind of places, so i never went again.. maybe the daily prachar at my gurudwara sahib (which we as kids used to call it boring) already worked on my soul and that might be the reason my soul rejected such places.. Prachar should happen in such places but we should try to catch the attendance in other places, not necessarly in clubs. Prachar should work on Sikh kids before they even know the names of such places. Secondly, keeping in mind of "Hatred" thread, we simply cannot hate anyone who just goes to clubs and love to chill and may do some non-sikhi stuff. If we hate them or if our body language shows that we hate them, its clear that they gonna drift away from sikhi more and more and at some point they will start calling us or most of us "Fanatics". etc..

My simple advice is that we shouldn't keep grudge against tigerstyle or the clubbing ppl just because they have slightly different lifestyles or views from you/us/religious minded youth. We should see everybody with equal eye. See them same as you see a bana wearing nihang at raenshabaey. If you respect other ppl lifestyle or their views, you will get the same in return.

Sorry if i offended anyone.

Chardi kala

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blush.gif GurSikhs, I have been reading some of the interesting points, just wanted to add a few points of my own, these are probably not for everyone, just what I think:

1) As far as I know, and read, and heard on interviews, Tigerstyle donot play the shaheedi tracks in clubs (it also says so on the album)

2) Someone said do we want Quantity or quality - WHY NOT BOTH? why Do you have to choose? Say, you have Mr X who is not well known doing gurmat parchar to youngsters, and now you have Mr Y (who every youngster looks up to or identifies with or thinks they're cool). If Mr Y starts to do Gurmat Parchar it will reach a lot more youth and engage alot more youth CONVERTING QUANTITY to QUALITY ultimately. I like the point of the lotus, the way I see this is as refining uncut jewels :T:

3) Whether, as a whole, we agree or not, I think especially in the UK some "non-orthodox" methods are badly needed for the youth - cos in short most are "lost" and if this form of "music (loosely used)" helps even 1 GurSikh identitfy it's worth it

4) As far as Club Dj'ing, wrong or right, we can't judge at the end of the day. If they are making an honest living and living their own lives in a GurSikh fashion perhaps in time they may want to stop all this ....we can't speak for people who aren't here!

Agree or disagree, just my 2 pence worth :nihungsmile:

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Personally seeing Tigerstyle in a club inspired me to find out about Sikhi more and they sort of kept me in check in a club once... I remember early on in my life someone offered me a drink and I was tempted but I remember one of them shock their head at me which kind of made me think about what I was doing. Its good to see someone with a Distaar in a club. Before then I was under the assumption that all Religous Sikhs never knew how to have fun and thought that all types of Bhangra Music was the Devils creation.

Why cant an AmritDhari go into a club? The way Sikhi is going Amritdhari's who work with people who drink and smoke will be frowned upon!!! Where has this new found attitude of segregation come from? We are not Hermits who cant even socialise with people wether it be in a bar or club? Yes, we gain nothing spritually from going into a club but we gain strength to not be tempted by intoxicants etc, If you think you are too weak to go into a club situation and avoid these things then dont go; but I personally am confident in my identity and faith and do not fear going into that kind of setting.

If current trends continue, Amritdharis will only be mingling with other Amritdharis. Isnt that being elitist? Sometimes you guys use the word Manmukhs in the same context Muslims use Kaffir. Some places where non- Amritdharis hang out isnt that bad.

Sorry If I offended.

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Personally seeing Tigerstyle in a club inspired me to find out about Sikhi more and they sort of kept me in check in a club once... I remember early on in my life someone offered me a drink and I was tempted but I remember one of them shock their head at me which kind of made me think about what I was doing. Its good to see someone with a Distaar in a club. Before then I was under the assumption that all Religous Sikhs never knew how to have fun and thought that all types of Bhangra Music was the Devils creation.

Why cant an AmritDhari go into a club? The way Sikhi is going Amritdhari's who work with people who drink and smoke will be frowned upon!!! Where has this new found attitude of segregation come from? We are not Hermits who cant even socialise with people wether it be in a bar or club? Yes, we gain nothing spritually from going into a club but we gain strength to not be tempted by intoxicants etc, If you think you are too weak to go into a club situation and avoid these things then dont go; but I personally am confident in my identity and faith and do not fear going into that kind of setting.

If current trends continue, Amritdharis will only be mingling with other Amritdharis. Isnt that being elitist? Sometimes you guys use the word Manmukhs in the same context Muslims use Kaffir. Some places where non- Amritdharis hang out isnt that bad.

Sorry If I offended.

Well veerji, i do understand what ur saying when u talk about segregation and us getting too comfortable in our small boxes. But i think the reason why most Gursikhs would never step foot inside a club is because of the environment, everything inside the club scene is anti-gurmat and is pretty disgusting for someone who wakes up for Amritvela everyday and listen to Gurbani that tells us to avoid these sort of situations.

We all are on a different level of understanding true spirituality and some of us who are still at the early stages want to avoid situations that might take us away from our desired path.

If u find it hard to understand, listen to kirtan, listen to the gurus message (humility, control of ones desires, purity) then switch over and listen to punjabi music (gabroo punjabi, drooling over a woman, drinking), its the difference between heaven and hell.

But if one can into that environment, hold their own by not indulging in anti-gurmat activities and inspire others to get on the right path, then i'd say more power to them!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

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Does any 1 know of any good Tigerstyle songs?

Jago - Tigerstyle ft Jagowala Jatha

Warcries (2004 Refix) - Tigerstyle

AK47 - Tigerstyle ft Jagowala Jatha

Jhoolde Kesri Chande - Tigerstyle ft Bhupinder Singh

Mukhon Satnaam Bolda - Tigerstyle ft Shveta

Reet Khalsay Di - Tigerstyle ft Giani Suran Singh

The Legend of Jinda Sukha - Tigerstyle ft Jagowale

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