unity: stop bashing each other

[singh_1983]

i understand the arguements for ekta of all the panth.....and i respect the comments made by everyone on this thread ......

but we must all be aware - that when a few small things are changed they can end up leading to BIG changes in the future!

everyone needs to be aware of this!

[wjkk wjkf]

Very true

[harwinder84]

i remember being a fanatic of a jatha at a time...

it was like no jatha is good except this particular 1.....hahah

then i was questioned by ustaad ji,

wat u wud answer when guru gobind singh ji asks u, who gave u the rights to break apart my panth?

tats was a BIG SLAP on my face man

i remember it till today

bhull chukk maaff

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Mool Mantar is up to Gurparsaad. If someone wants to create issues to divide Panth, they can do so. There is only 1 right and only 1 wron on some things but there are cases where either can be right depending on the viewpoint.

[khalistan_zindabaad]

khalsa fauj

as u just blanked wat others were sayin im arguing that mool mantar is upto nanak hosi bhi sach

hahahahahaahahaha

now lets argue

lol

joke wats the point in arguing lets just leave it at u dnt want to follow gurmat

a post which startede off with stop bashing each other hans funnly turned into a bashing one..........

lol

kaljug at it best hahahhahahh

[harwinder84]

if this is gonna end up in arguements of moolmantar...then i think this thread shud be closed

dun waste anybody's time

[ParwinderSingh]

Giani Thaukur Singh Ji once said that people argue over where the mool mantar ends, but have those people ever jaaped the mool mantar?, do they even understand where it came from? have they even meditated on the word Ik OanKar? Bani is so powerful, but the people who tend to argue or engage in these things are the ones who least do any of the things above.

I dont know his personal veiw but his solution was , belive whichever, dont fight, and at least receite as much as you belive you should.

i know that someone said that little changes now will make big changesi n the future, but if we follow this simple advice , then guru will do kirpa and we will be shown the right path. I dont see the point of us fighting amongst each other when theres so much we have to do.

most of us dont understand it, and have never researched it, and will generally chose one veiw about something and stick to it ..........

but personally i dont know enough about mool mantar to take any veiw........ i could choose gurpursad or hosee bhi sach and join the crowds, i think thats what alot young people do, some people might have a brief look into the topic or even take the word of older people.

lets try and be sikhs and show everyone equality and see the light of God everywhere. think about what we say and do, are we even worthy to fight in the name of sikhi? have we enough gian, do we understand what we fight for?

theres lots to think about, much more than thers to fight about.

[KH4L1$T4N1]

phaji i understand when u talk of shaarda......but regardless of that one way way is still right and all the others are rong

when Bhagat Dhanna Ji prayed day and nite to a stone thinking that God was only in that stone.....the stone spoke back to him and told him that "u are rite, i am God in this stone but everything els u see is also me"

his undoubted shaarda in that stone being God paid off and then God told him of the right way

what im trying to get at is even though u can have full faith...ther is still only one tru way!

ther is stil only one tru rehit, one tru mool mantar etc ......hopefully one day we can all have enough faith that God and Guru will put us right and tell us the truth!

Bhajji i dont know where you got that story of Bhagat Dhanna Ji but its is not true it is yet another false story from Sau Sakhi (i think but not sure) Bhagat Ji has 3 Saloks in Guru Granth Sahib Jee and NONE of them mention such thing as that and the story about that stone states the stone was givne to Bhagat Dhanna by some Bhaman who tried to fool him with it and it wasnt God who gave him Dharashan but shiva or krishna, it is just another made up story. If Guru Sahib put Dhanna Jee's Bani in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Bhagat Dhanna must have been quite a extraordinary man, do you realy think such a man would get foooled by a Bhaman who said "u will get darshan from this rock" i think not...

[singh_1983]

i must admit i have no proof that its true, but i've heard it a few times in katha at the gurdwara.

can u prove it isnt?? whether the story is true or false i dont see anything wrong with it. its a good example to all of us!

[sikhlionz]

info on Bhagat Dhanna:

http://rajkaregakhalsa.net/khalsa/bhagatdhanna.htm

Gurbani is Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj mentions the different Bhagats all achieved spiritual bliss for different reasons. Bhagat Dhanna Jee achieved it through his innocence - this means purity of thought, purity of action, purity of soul.

This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Basant on Ang 1192 of Guru Maharaj Jee:

bsMqu mhlw 5 Gru 1 duqukIAw

basa(n)th mehalaa 5 ghar 1 dhuthukeeaa

Basant, Fifth Mehla, First House, Du-Tukee:

<> siqgur pRswid ]

ik oa(n)kaar sathigur prasaadh ||

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

suix swKI mn jip ipAwr ]

sun saakhee man jap piaar ||

Listen to the stories of the devotees, O my mind, and meditate with love.

Ajwmlu auDirAw kih eyk bwr ]

ajaamal oudhhariaa kehi eaek baar ||

Ajaamal uttered the Lord's Name once, and was saved.

bwlmIkY hoAw swDsMgu ]

baalameekai hoaa saadhhasa(n)g ||

Baalmeek found the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy.

DR¨ kau imilAw hir insMg ]1]

dhhroo ko miliaa har nisa(n)g ||1||

The Lord definitely met Dhroo. ||1||

qyirAw sMqw jwcau crn ryn ]

thaeriaa sa(n)thaa jaacho charan raen ||

I beg for the dust of the feet of Your Saints.

ly msqik lwvau kir ik®pw dyn ]1] rhwau ]

lae masathak laavo kar kirapaa dhaen ||1|| rehaao ||

Please bless me with Your Mercy, Lord, that I may apply it to my forehead. ||1||Pause||

ginkw auDrI hir khY qoq ]

ganikaa oudhharee har kehai thoth ||

Ganika the prostitute was saved, when her parrot uttered the Lord's Name.

gjieMdR iDAwieE hir kIE moK ]

gajaei(n)dhr dhhiaaeiou har keeou mokh ||

The elephant meditated on the Lord, and was saved.

ibpR sudwmy dwldu BMj ]

bipr sudhaamae dhaaladh bha(n)j ||

He delivered the poor Brahmin Sudama out of poverty.

ry mn qU BI Bju goibMd ]2]

rae man thoo bhee bhaj gobi(n)dh ||2||

O my mind, you too must meditate and vibrate on the Lord of the Universe. ||2||

biDku auDwirE Kim pRhwr ]

badhhik oudhhaariou kham prehaar ||

Even the hunter who shot an arrow at Krishna was saved.

kuibjw auDrI AMgust Dwr ]

kubijaa oudhharee a(n)gusatt dhhaar ||

Kubija the hunchback was saved, when God placed His Feet on her thumb.

ibdru auDwirE dwsq Bwie ]

bidhar oudhhaariou dhaasath bhaae ||

Bidar was saved by his attitude of humility.

ry mn qU BI hir iDAwie ]3]

rae man thoo bhee har dhhiaae ||3||

O my mind, you too must meditate on the Lord. ||3||

pRhlwd rKI hir pYj Awp ]

prehalaadh rakhee har paij aap ||

The Lord Himself saved the honor of Prahlaad.

bsqR CInq dRopqI rKI lwj ]

basathr shheenath dhropathee rakhee laaj ||

Even when she was being disrobed in court, Dropatee's honor was preserved.

ijin ijin syivAw AMq bwr ]

jin jin saeviaa a(n)th baar ||

Those who have served the Lord, even at the very last instant of their lives, are saved.

ry mn syiv qU prih pwr ]4]

rae man saev thoo parehi paar ||4||

O my mind, serve Him, and you shall be carried across to the other side. ||4||

DMnY syivAw bwl buiD ]

dhha(n)nai saeviaa baal budhh ||

Dhanna served the Lord, with the innocence of a child.

iqRlocn gur imil BeI isiD ]

thrilochan gur mil bhee sidhh ||

Meeting with the Guru, Trilochan attained the perfection of the Siddhas.

byxI kau guir kIE pRgwsu ]

baenee ko gur keeou pragaas ||

The Guru blessed Baynee with His Divine Illumination.

ry mn qU BI hoih dwsu ]5]

rae man thoo bhee hohi dhaas ||5||

O my mind, you too must be the Lord's slave. ||5||

jYdyv iqAwigE AhMmyv ]

jaidhaev thiaagiou aha(n)maev ||

Jai Dayv gave up his egotism.

nweI auDirE sYnu syv ]

naaee oudhhariou sain saev ||

Sain the barber was saved through his selfless service.

mnu fIig n folY khUM jwie ]

man ddeeg n ddolai kehoo(n) jaae ||

Do not let your mind waver or wander; do not let it go anywhere.

mn qU BI qrsih srix pwie ]6]

man thoo bhee tharasehi saran paae ||6||

O my mind, you too shall cross over; seek the Sanctuary of God. ||6||

ijh AnugRhu Twkuir kIE Awip ]

jih anugrahu t(h)aakur keeou aap ||

O my Lord and Master, You have shown Your Mercy to them.

sy qYN lIny Bgq rwiK ]

sae thai(n) leenae bhagath raakh ||

You saved those devotees.

iqn kw guxu Avgxu n bIcwirE koie ]

thin kaa gun avagan n beechaariou koe ||

You do not take their merits and demerits into account.

ieh ibiD dyiK mnu lgw syv ]7]

eih bidhh dhaekh man lagaa saev ||7||

Seeing these ways of Yours, I have dedicated my mind to Your service. ||7||

kbIir iDAwieE eyk rMg ]

kabeer dhhiaaeiou eaek ra(n)g ||

Kabeer meditated on the One Lord with love.

nwmdyv hir jIau bsih sMig ]

naamadhaev har jeeo basehi sa(n)g ||

Naam Dayv lived with the Dear Lord.

rivdws iDAwey pRB AnUp ]

ravidhaas dhhiaaeae prabh anoop ||

Ravi Daas meditated on God, the Incomparably Beautiful.

gur nwnk dyv goivMd rUp ]8]1]

gur naanak dhaev govi(n)dh roop ||8||1||

Guru Nanak Dayv is the Embodiment of the Lord of the Universe. ||8||1||

Bhagat Dhanna gave his all into everything he did. His Bhagati was so pure-hearted that the Lord took another form to meet him personally. Ang 488 of Guru Maharaj:

imly pRqiK gusweIAw DMnw vfBwgw ]4]2]

milae prathakh gusaaeeaa dhhannaa vaddabhaagaa ||4||2||

The Lord of the Universe met him personally; Dhanna was so very blessed. ||4||2||

The whole sakhi is on a shabad of Bhai Gurdaas Ji in his Vaars on Pannaa 10:

bwmHx pUjY dyvqy DMnw gaU crwvx AwvY]

baamhan poojai dhaevathae dhha(n)naa goo charaavan aavai||

A brahman would worship gods (in the form of stone idols) where Dhanna used to graze his cow.

DMnY ifTw cilq eyh puCY bwmHx AwK suxwvY]

dhha(n)nai ddit(h)aa chalith eaeh pushhai baamhan aakh sunaavai||

On seeing his worship, Dhanna asked the brahman what he was doing.

Twkur dI syvw kry jo ieCy soeI Pl pwvY]

t(h)aakur dhee saevaa karae jo eishhae soee fal paavai||

“Service to the Thakur (God) gives the desired fruit,” replied the brahman.

DMnw krdw jodVI mYN iB dyh iek jo quD BwvY]

dhha(n)naa karadhaa jodharree mai(n) bh dhaeh eik jo thudhh bhaavai||

Dhanna requested, “O brahman, if you agree kindly give one to me.”

p`Qr iek lpyt kr dy DMny noN gYl CufwvY]

paathhar eik lapaett kar dhae dhha(n)nae no(n) gail shhuddaavai||

The brahman rolled a stone, gave it to Dhanna and thus got rid of him.

Twkur noN nHwvwlky Cwih rotI lY Bog cVHwvY]

t(h)aakur no(n) nhaavaalakae shhaahi rottee lai bhog charrhaavai||

Dhanna bathed the Thakur and offered him bread and buttermilk.

hQ joV imMnq kry pYrIN pY pY bhuq mnwvY]

hathh jorr mi(n)nath karae pairee(n) pai pai bahuth manaavai||

With folded hands and falling at the feet of the stone he begged for his service to be accepted.

hauN bI mUMh n juTwlsW qUM ruTw mYN ikhu n suKwvY]

hou(n) bee moo(n)h n jut(h)aalasaa(n) thoo(n) rut(h)aa mai(n) kihu n sukhaavai||

Dhanna said, “I will also not eat because how can I be happy if you are annoyed.”

goseIN prq`K hoie rotI Kwie Cwih muih lwvY]

gosee(n) parathaakh hoe rottee khaae shhaahi muhi laavai||

(Seeing his true and loving devotion) God was forced to appear and eat his bread and buttermilk.

Bolw Bwau goivMd imlwvY ]ñó]

bholaa bhaao govi(n)dh milaavai ||aa||

In fact, innocence like that of Dhanna makes the sight of the Lord available.

This doesn't mean we should all start worshipping stones since the Brahman he took the stone off hadn't realised the Lord that way. Gurbani is teaching that we should adopt the qualities that all the Bhagats each achieved the Lord through. In Bhagat Dhanna Ji's case it means when we do Naam simran then we should clear our minds and focus completely, and when we do ardaas it should be heartfelt. The Bhagats were literally one in a million to achieve the Lord in these ways so they provided Gurbani reflective of their Godly qualities. These Godly qualities of the Bhagats are in the Gurbani of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj and we have a very very very fast way to the Lord through Guru Ji that can provide all the virtues of the Bhagats, and our Gurus in one. All we have to do is put in an ounce of the energy Bhagat Dhanna did.