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2day wen I attened my P.E (physical education) class, my teacher threatend me to take off my karra or he'll take it 2 court or fail me, i tried to explain that its religous & its not supposed 2 be taken off, but he just kept on sayin he'll take me 2 court.

What does sangat think?

Bhull Chuk Maaf!

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WJKK WJKF!!!

2day wen I attened my P.E (physical education) class, my teacher threatend me to take off my karra or he'll take it 2 court or fail me, i tried to explain that its religous & its not supposed 2 be taken off, but he just kept on sayin he'll take me 2 court.

What does sangat think?

Bhull Chuk Maaf!

have someone older thn you talk to ur P.E. teacher! he can't threatn u like that!

it could be that he is just worried about the safety of the other students and/or his! while u working out or playing etc kara can hurt someone so try to see it from his perspective as well. really dont argue with him...it will only lead to problems. his ego will be hurt...and we all know how much trouble that can cause grin.gif

so really have someone respected talk to him about it (over the phone or just in person). if that doesn't solve the problem then talk to the head of the department or principl of the school. im assuming u are in high school :)

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Thinking it over, I feel that a kara in gym class, where you do vigorous activities in some cases, could possibly slide off your hand and hit someone, or it could accidentally hurt them while on your hand. That's why at a lot of fitness centers say not to wear any jewelry while using equipment.

I can see where he is coming from even if a kara is hardly jewelry. He is just worried about the school getting sued.

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Yes I agree with all of you, but instead of asking me to take my karra off he threatened 2 take me 2 court or fail me, i have tried looking at it his way as well but it makes no sense my karra is blunt & thin n even if it hits sumone it wont even leave a mark our karra's arent that dangerous.

So my parents were told 2 take a copy of the kakkars & there meanings & have a meeting with the skool.

But our karra is our rehat just lyk our kesh, 2 us taking off our karra is lyk taking of our pagh or dastaar.

Thanks 4 ur helpfull coments

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1. WHERE ARE YOU?!!! which country, city?

2. Who witnessed this conversation? Write down their names. Are they supportive and willing to confirm what the teacher said, if so ask them to INDEPENDENTLY write a detailed statement as to their recollection.

3. You write down a detailed statement immediately as to what took place.

TELL US WHERE YOU ARE!

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why don't you just get a wrist band..and slip the karra under that...that way your teacher will be more comfortable with it not hurting anyone..

if you wear a dastaar ...you could do what i used to so and just take it off when you're changing for gym and put it in your dastaar...this was for when we had to play contact sports...

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Your P.E. teacher feels evidently threatened himself / herself and that may be the reason behind the threat to you. Your teacher can, in no possible manner, harm you in any way. Be rest assured. DO NOT FEEL THREATENED.

To put your teacher's anxiety to rest, you could try wearing a wrist band over the kara so that while Gym-ing.. no gets hurt.

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2day wen I attened my P.E (physical education) class, my teacher threatend me to take off my karra or he'll take it 2 court or fail me, i tried to explain that its religous & its not supposed 2 be taken off, but he just kept on sayin he'll take me 2 court.

What does sangat think?

Bhull Chuk Maaf!

Tell him "See you in court". LOL, just kidding, hunn keh na baiththee kitay :) . I guess you can ask your dad to talk to the school authorities and sort it out.

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can i just ask a question, have you taken amrit? if not then do you keep your kesh?

You dont need to worry, there is no way he can take you to court. i used to be a mona back when i was at school and i didnt know anything about sikhi so i used to take my kara off for sports etc, but i would never do that now, you could wrap something over it so you dont harm anyone when in contact sport or sit it out until you come to a solution, but as far as the court thing is concerned, he cant do anything........let us know where your from etc and hopefully we can sort it out or offer advice on what the law is in ur country.

What did everyone else do at school? there must be something to get around it thers plenty of gursikhs going to schools n colls, like using wrist bands or wearing a small kara which is tight around the wrist for sports or putting it in your pocket? i duno wats right etc.

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Bhaaji I suggest you and your parents arrange a meeting with the headmaster. Keep calm, graceful and dignified.

Explain the situation and how you were threatened. Ask the headteacher if a teacher threatened a child to court if he didn't remove a mandatory article of faith, what would you do? Ask the headmaster questions so that he responds directly. Express how its unacceptable and how you are offended and fear that if this is not nipped in the bud the teacher could get away with worse.

It could be possible that the teacher is ignorant of Sikhi and didn't mean anything by the comment. However, something is offensive if the person on the receiving end finds the comment offensive. He should have known better. It might be the case that the headmaster has a word with the teacher and the teacher writes an apology letter to you and your family. This will make him think twice before making hasty comments in the future.

Hope that helps.

The above advice is first step in my personal experience. The second step if that fails is to seek advice from your local CRE (Commission for Racial Equality) and report to Local Education Authority. However, I am quite sure that everything will be resolved by the headmaster and things will not go further.

Let the Sangat know how it goes Bhaaji.

Guru Raakhaa.

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i had the same problem when i was at school back in the 90's

as a frequent basketball player and a pupil in gcse p.e. we were always taking part in sports activities. though these activities werent full contact, in a western persons view, the kara can be seen as a hazard whilst engaging in these activities, similar to the way necklaces, bracelets and earrings/earstuds.

its simple, jus cover it! i used to get wristbands from sports shops, similar to the ones they wear in tennis, or even wrap it up with a bit of material. at least way, u r still wearing it, and its covered so that it is no possible hazard. that should soon shut ur teacher up, it did with mine.

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1. WHERE ARE YOU?!!! which country, city?

2. Who witnessed this conversation? Write down their names. Are they supportive and willing to confirm what the teacher said, if so ask them to INDEPENDENTLY write a detailed statement as to their recollection.

3. You write down a detailed statement immediately as to what took place.

TELL US WHERE YOU ARE!

1)I'm in Australia N.S.W

2)My whole class was there, they said that they'll stick up 4 me.

3) Ive already written 1 yaar.

why don't you just get a wrist band..and slip the karra under that...that way your teacher will be more comfortable with it not hurting anyone..

if you wear a dastaar ...you could do what i used to so and just take it off when you're changing for gym and put it in your dastaar...this was for when we had to play contact sports...

The school is still looking at the matter of the wrist band, they are concerend about everyone else's saftey. lol A cricket bat or a hockey stick are much more harmful than my karra y dont they ban them then. lol

WJKK WJKF!!!

2day wen I attened my P.E (physical education) class, my teacher threatend me to take off my karra or he'll take it 2 court or fail me, i tried to explain that its religous & its not supposed 2 be taken off, but he just kept on sayin he'll take me 2 court.

What does sangat think?

Bhull Chuk Maaf!

Tell him "See you in court". LOL, just kidding, hunn keh na baiththee kitay :) . I guess you can ask your dad to talk to the school authorities and sort it out.

Done my dad told them that its apart of our dharam but they said its up 2 the P.E department.

can i just ask a question, have you taken amrit? if not then do you keep your kesh?

You dont need to worry, there is no way he can take you to court. i used to be a mona back when i was at school and i didnt know anything about sikhi so i used to take my kara off for sports etc, but i would never do that now, you could wrap something over it so you dont harm anyone when in contact sport or sit it out until you come to a solution, but as far as the court thing is concerned, he cant do anything........let us know where your from etc and hopefully we can sort it out or offer advice on what the law is in ur country.

What did everyone else do at school? there must be something to get around it thers plenty of gursikhs going to schools n colls, like using wrist bands or wearing a small kara which is tight around the wrist for sports or putting it in your pocket? i duno wats right etc.

I havent taken amrit YET ... but I try & keep my rehat,

There is no other gursikh at my school thats y their picking on me.

I'll wear the wristband wen/if they get back 2 me.

but i still think its foolish, lyk i said before i cricket bat or hockey stick has more chance of hurting someone rather than my karra.

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