Breaking News: Sikhs Clash With Dera Sucha Sauda Followers In Punjab, 12 Injured

[Harpreet_Singh]

Khalistan won't be made through votes or mediation with the Brahmin Sarkar or its followers,only through Shastar can one obtain Sovereignty,so forget votes or the USELESS LAWS AND CONSTITUTION OF INDIA,.

Thats the same mistake the babbars made in boycotting the election. You should learn from history, not repeat it.

Look at Kashmir does India let them have a referendum ?No they don't,No one gives you Raaj you have to fight for it.

Then why are you talking about it on a message board. For someone who talks about fighting for raaj, when the opportunity best presents itself (right now) you dont even buy a ticket to India.

In my opinion we shouldn't be talking about fighting for raj when we arent even sure if we will be the ones fighting. You are preaching for the death of singhs in Punjab, when you will most likely be chilling behind a computer screen reading updates from tribune india.

[SaRpAnCh]

Just shut your trap okay,I hate your type of people,who are so in your face,and say things like why don;t you go India and say this or say that.We will when the need comes,don't see you doing any parchaar,or keeping people spirits high.

[waheguru_fateh]

http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/41151/swami-...h-standoff.html Dogs from Arya Samaj,Babbars did not make the mistake our community did we split up as usual.

IF ALL OTHER MEANS FAIL THEN YOU MAY DRAW THE SWORD, NOT DRAW THE SWORD THEN SEE THE OTHER OPTIONS, singh ji, .....

[waheguru_fateh]

http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/41151/swami-...h-standoff.html Dogs from Arya Samaj,Babbars did not make the mistake our community did we split up as usual.

IF ALL OTHER MEANS FAIL THEN YOU MAY DRAW THE SWORD, NOT DRAW THE SWORD THEN SEE THE OTHER OPTIONS, singh ji, .....

follow guru sahibs lesson, guru ji didn't say just go fight at random, guru ji only faught in battles when totally necessary, i dont know many brahmgianis but i dont think any of us are to be making desisions about just drawing unneccesary violence for no reason. did sant jarnail singh ji just go attack people, NO! they had no other choice, they didnt go out and kill people, all they did was defend sri harimandir sahib.

PS. im open for critism, if i offended neone please for give me

and besides, what would other people be thinking of us if we did this, i have one thing going on in my mind and lets see if everyone else is thinking what im thinking

[SaRpAnCh]

Is all good,but from my personal view and of some Jathas as well,Since 1947 we've faced discrimination,we have tried every mean in the book.Political,personal,passionate,& protest but we havent got nothing,since 1984 we've been in a State Of War.The day the army attacked,and subsequent,post 1984 genocide left us broken and injured as a nation,we then went to protest,went to the UN,appealed to all other nations,sent petition letter to GOI,and have been doing since,but have reaped no results.A Singh has become Shaheed in this new battlefront they started the violence not us,Sikhs will defend the Panth in any way they wish,they tried peaceful means,and got attacked,got to give credit to them fro doing peaceful means - as thats the Sikh Conduct of War,'When all means fail ,Draw the Sword'.If the dera guy goes,we still got the Indian Govt,RSS,and others to deal with,I see this new battlefront,and the old battlefront in 1984 ,1978,as the same battle for survicval so the same rules should be applied,ITS ONE BATTLE ,THATS FOR THE SURVIVAL OF THE KHALSA PANTH,WE'VE TRIED PEACEFULL MEANS,in some cases we succeeded eg:Dera followers turning back to Sikhi,but on the larger battlefront we are going to have to raise the Sri Sahib.

[waheguru_fateh]

Is all good,but from my personal view and of some Jathas as well,Since 1947 we've faced discrimination,we have tried every mean in the book.Political,personal,passionate,& protest but we havent got nothing,since 1984 we've been in a State Of War.The day the army attacked,and subsequent,post 1984 genocide left us broken and injured as a nation,we then went to protest,went to the UN,appealed to all other nations,sent petition letter to GOI,and have been doing since,but have reaped no results.A Singh has become Shaheed in this new battlefront they started the violence not us,Sikhs will defend the Panth in any way they wish,they tried peaceful means,and got attacked,got to give credit to them fro doing peaceful means - as thats the Sikh Conduct of War,'When all means fail ,Draw the Sword'.If the dera guy goes,we still got the Indian Govt,RSS,and others to deal with,I see this new battlefront,and the old battlefront in 1984 ,1978,as the same battle for survicval so the same rules should be applied,ITS ONE BATTLE ,THATS FOR THE SURVIVAL OF THE KHALSA PANTH,WE'VE TRIED PEACEFULL MEANS,in some cases we succeeded eg:Dera followers turning back to Sikhi,but on the larger battlefront we are going to have to raise the Sri Sahib.

yea but we're not exactly in a war right now, like a full frontal war... its a different thing then 1984

[SaRpAnCh]

Sach Di Awaz

http://www.panthic.org/blogs/

[waheguru_fateh]

Sach Di Awaz

http://www.panthic.org/blogs/

exactly my point, GOI just gonna look for a scapegoat, so in my view, it is not necessary to take up shashtran just yet, cuz if we do, medias gonna have a field day.

[Guest militant singh]

Da bamanz r gna use each ova as scapegoats when da Khalsa Panth fully awakenz in da Panjab.

Wht singhz need 2 do is mobilise and plan for anyfink dat could happen we hve learn't tht u cnt trust bamanz whn dey try be nice 2 u ders alwyz a hidden agenda 2 der planz.

[Nirvair S Khalsa]

...from "THE INDEPENDENT" newspaper:

Cult leader sparks Sikh riots with 'guru' stunt

By Jerome Taylor

Published: 21 May 2007

The Indian state of Punjab has been set alight by some of the worst rioting in a decade after a newspaper advert placed by the leader of a controversial religious sect sparked outrage in the region's Sikh community.

One person was killed and more than 50 were injured after tens of thousands of angry Sikhs, many armed with their ceremonial kirpan daggers, went on the rampage across Punjab and the neighbouring state of Haryana.

India's Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh, appealed for calm and put the army on standby as the central government sent thousands of police to the region.

The rioting broke out after the Dera Sacha Sauda sect, a non-profit group that combines social work with spirituality, placed an advert in a local newspaper showing its leader, Baba Gurmeet Singh, allegedly impersonating Sikhism's 10th and last guru, an act most Sikhs would consider deeply offensive.

The advert appeared to show Gurmeet Singh administering a special nectar, known as Jaam-e-Insaan, to his followers while wearing the same long robes worn by the guru, Guru Gobind Singh - who was also known to baptise believers with nectar. Unlike Islam, where picturing the Prophet Mohamed is strictly forbidden, most Sikhs believe it is permissible to picture their gurus, and families often place a picture of the religion's founding father, Guru Nanak Dev, somewhere in their homes. But pretending to be a guru is strictly forbidden.

"Impersonating a Sikh guru always runs the risk of outraging even the most moderate of sikhs," says Jagtar Singh of the Sikh Federation's UK branch. "Even if our schoolchildren were putting on a play about the gurus, we would never get anyone to actually play the role of one.

"Most Sikh groups believe Guru Gobind Singh was the final guru. Some people have since claimed themselves to be living gurus, something which is deeply offensive to most Sikhs."

Gurmeet Singh insists he has done nothing wrong and has refused to apologise for the advert. "I wear whatever my followers give me to wear," he told the New Indian Express from his sect's headquarters in Sirsa, Haryana. "My robes can match anybody's. They don't indicate my inclination towards any particular religion. All religions are the same."

His supporters rejected accusations that he was trying to impersonate the guru. But yesterday police filed a complaint against the sect's leader for hurting religious sentiment, a charge often used in a country where religious differences regularly set off violence.

The Central Bureau of Intelligence, India's equivalent to the FBI, also says Gurmeet Singh is a prime suspect in the murder of an Indian journalist who accused the sect of brainwashing women and sexually assaulting them in 2002.

Many say the rapid response of India's government to the crisis shows their fears that the riots have transformed into a wider protest against what many Sikhs say is the way they are discriminated against by the government.

"The recent protests really have mushroomed into something much bigger," says Jagtar Singh, whose organisation campaigns for the creation of a Sikh homeland called Khalistan.

"There have already been incidents where protesters have been chanting the word 'Khalistan'. The feeling is that now is a good time to protest against the government over Sikh human rights. As long as it remains a political agitation for Sikh rights, we support that. When there is violence, we'll condemn it."

The sect leader

* Whether he's dressed in bright, flowing robes reminiscent of an ancient maharaja, or in the white cloth of a wandering aesthetic, Baba Gurmeet Singh Ram Raheem, who spends much of his time living in a cave on his ashram, has always been a controversial figure. Although his organisation says it discourages donations his favourite mode of transport is a fleet of Mercedes cars, protected by up to 25 bodyguards.

* In 2002, his sect was accused of brainwashing and sexually assaulting female followers. Gurmeet Singh, who prefers his acolytes to call him by his somewhat laborious full title Huzoor Maharaj Sant Gurmeet Ram Raheem Singh Ji, is currently being investigated by police over rape and murder allegations.

* He recently clashed with the Punjab's state government after urging followers to vote for the Congress party, which forms the opposition there. But supporters say his message that all religions are equal attracts hundreds of thousands of genuine followers from low-caste Hindu families as well as from the region's Christian and Sikh communities.

(SOURCE: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article2565124.ece)