Breaking News: Sikhs Clash With Dera Sucha Sauda Followers In Punjab, 12 Injured

[Punjabi_Link]

this was all a political scam from the beginning...

punjabis and apparently sikhs in north america dont use their heads and just get sucked in...

agreed that the DSS chief did a messed up thing...but others have done far worse...

if there was a morcha..it shoulda been against badal

if there was a morcha it shoulda been against RSS

if there was a morcha it shoulda been against vedanti

if there was a morcha itg shoulda been against baba maan singh...

and various others....

i wonder when our community will stop letting others play with emotions and start using our heads...

and then we turn around and blame all our problems on GOI...

So true. Sikhs need to fight against the real enemies here. I just hope that Sikhs don't stop standing up when this dera sucha sauda situation is over.

[Raju]

Why are you singling out Arya Samaj ? Arent' there Muslim, Christian & Jain priests there as well ??

I think its okay to wonder/think that why would 100 years old enemy of sikhs interested to become a peace broker between sikhs and dera/cult?

I didn't know that Arya Samaj is an 100 yr enemy of the Sikhs ? Anyway there are RSS Hindus who claim that Agnivesh is a communist/naxalite in saffron clothes, they also say that he has usurped the position of Arya Samaj chief. I don't know whom to believe ?

[Raju]

Anyway our 'fat man' will agree to every proposal from every quarter, because his head is on the line. Dera will then claim that we are so reasonable and that the people who are not reasonable are extremists.

[Guest PunjabSingh]

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ ॥

Guru Piario Sadh Sangat Ji,

For those that missed the earlier TV debate on NDTV, 'We thee People', this link has it - http://panthkijeet.blogspot.com/2007/05/bu...b-part-vii.html

There should be more Chardi Kala GurSikhs like Bibi Kiranjot Kaur Ji. Satnaam WaheGuru!

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ ॥

The way Khushwant Singh's son Rahul Singh conducted himself in the debate is deplorable .However there are reports that after the show Rahul was manhandled there and then outside the studio by the audience :

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2007/20070523/nation.htm#6

[Guest PunjabSingh]

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ ॥

Guru Piario Sadh Sangat Ji,

For those that missed the earlier TV debate on NDTV, 'We thee People', this link has it - http://panthkijeet.blogspot.com/2007/05/bu...b-part-vii.html

There should be more Chardi Kala GurSikhs like Bibi Kiranjot Kaur Ji. Satnaam WaheGuru!

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ ॥

The way Khushwant Singh's son Rahul Singh conducted himself in the debate is deplorable .However there are reports that after the show Rahul was manhandled there and then outside the studio by the audience :

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2007/20070523/nation.htm#6

[Guest PunjabSingh]

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ ॥

Guru Piario Sadh Sangat Ji,

For those that missed the earlier TV debate on NDTV, 'We thee People', this link has it - http://panthkijeet.blogspot.com/2007/05/bu...b-part-vii.html

There should be more Chardi Kala GurSikhs like Bibi Kiranjot Kaur Ji. Satnaam WaheGuru!

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ ॥

The way Khushwant Singh's son Rahul Singh conducted himself in the debate is deplorable .However there are reports that after the show Rahul was manhandled there and then outside the studio by the audience :

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2007/20070523/nation.htm#6

[Barjinder Singh]

can anyone get the recorded copy of the debate broadcasted on NDTV..

its name is "MUKABALA" it consists of akali dal representative, simranjeet singh mann's represent and one more hindu having a debate with dera manager dr aditya "ensaan" :devil:

its a good debate with akali dal and mann's representative speaking not only against each other but also against dera... the dera manager always compares baba with other gurus.. he never gives a direct answer to question...

[Guest PunjabSingh]

So after all this they change their Stance,top them it don't matter Vedantis a liar and Badal's Poodle,this is the view from them''Our Party is happy'',all else don't matter,''So what a few singhs got Shaheed'',we're still in power!

Vedanti and Co can say and do what they like,but one thing I know for sure,is that the Sikh Nation will not let those Shaheedian made by Singhs go to waste.

No matter what badal or other politicians think that they have gained political power from the recent dera issue,the true colors of all the political parties in Punjab stand exposed .

badal stands exposed.It is the same badal who is seen laughing shamelessly in front of the Sirsa saadh before the elections as was shown yesterday on various indian news channels yesterday.Not only this ,it was shown in the clip that badal and his son ate the "parsaad" after it was "touched" or rather blessed by the saadh .How can Sikhs expect badal to take a tough stand against the pakhandi saadh now ?badal dal leaders had to face the wrath of Sikhs at various places in Punjab.At some places some badal dal leaders came out for brief moments to get themselves photographed with the Sikh sangat .

As regards BJP the way it threatened the present badal govt in Punjab in case there is violence also stands exposed.The conduct of BJP must have raised some eyebrows even in the badal dal itself .

As reported by some channels it is even said that BJP won 19 seats in Punjab with help of Sirsa dera.

The BJP must be patting it's own back for non violence on Punjab bandh day instead of giving credit to Punjabis.Even BJP leader avnash rai khanna who was hiding in his hotel came out for few minutes ,got himself photographed with the Sikh sangat and went back to his hotel .

The double face of congress party leaders in Punjab was also exposed on the Punjab bandh day .The very same leaders who led dera mobs against Sikhs in Bathinda were no where to be seen on that day .

Shiromani Akali Dal(Amritsar) is perhaps the only political party of Punjab which represents the Sikh viewpoint .Bhai Daljit Singh Bittu has gone on record over zee punjabi and had appealed to the Sikh sangat to observe Punjab bandh in a peaceful way .Sardar Mann has been put in jail by badal govt to prevent him from leading the Sikhs as well as to prevent him from participating at the anniversary of Operation Bluestar.

SGPC President Avtar Singh Makkar yesterday convened a meeting of various religious leaders at Delhi and by evening delinked himself from the religious delegation which had gone to Sirsa dera to persuade the saadh to apologise .Same is the case with DSGPC president Paramjit Singh Sarna.So again double standards to befool the Sikhs .

But the political parties of Punjab now need to understand the issue has now gone into the Sikh sangat .They can no longer fool the Sikhs .If the political bodies or Akal Takht try to climb down from it's present stance then the Sikhs will take the matter in their own hands .

Harjot Singh Brar

[Hardeep__singh]

So after all this they change their Stance,top them it don't matter Vedantis a liar and Badal's Poodle,this is the view from them''Our Party is happy'',all else don't matter,''So what a few singhs got Shaheed'',we're still in power!

Vedanti and Co can say and do what they like,but one thing I know for sure,is that the Sikh Nation will not let those Shaheedian made by Singhs go to waste.

No matter what badal or other politicians think that they have gained political power from the recent dera issue,the true colors of all the political parties in Punjab stand exposed .

badal stands exposed.It is the same badal who is seen laughing shamelessly in front of the Sirsa saadh before the elections as was shown yesterday on various indian news channels yesterday.Not only this ,it was shown in the clip that badal and his son ate the "parsaad" after it was "touched" or rather blessed by the saadh .How can Sikhs expect badal to take a tough stand against the pakhandi saadh now ?badal dal leaders had to face the wrath of Sikhs at various places in Punjab.At some places some badal dal leaders came out for brief moments to get themselves photographed with the Sikh sangat .

As regards BJP the way it threatened the present badal govt in Punjab in case there is violence also stands exposed.The conduct of BJP must have raised some eyebrows even in the badal dal itself .

As reported by some channels it is even said that BJP won 19 seats in Punjab with help of Sirsa dera.

The BJP must be patting it's own back for non violence on Punjab bandh day instead of giving credit to Punjabis.Even BJP leader avnash rai khanna who was hiding in his hotel came out for few minutes ,got himself photographed with the Sikh sangat and went back to his hotel .

The double face of congress party leaders in Punjab was also exposed on the Punjab bandh day .The very same leaders who led dera mobs against Sikhs in Bathinda were no where to be seen on that day .

Shiromani Akali Dal(Amritsar) is perhaps the only political party of Punjab which represents the Sikh viewpoint .Bhai Daljit Singh Bittu has gone on record over zee punjabi and had appealed to the Sikh sangat to observe Punjab bandh in a peaceful way .Sardar Mann has been put in jail by badal govt to prevent him from leading the Sikhs as well as to prevent him from participating at the anniversary of Operation Bluestar.

SGPC President Avtar Singh Makkar yesterday convened a meeting of various religious leaders at Delhi and by evening delinked himself from the religious delegation which had gone to Sirsa dera to persuade the saadh to apologise .Same is the case with DSGPC president Paramjit Singh Sarna.So again double standards to befool the Sikhs .

But the political parties of Punjab now need to understand the issue has now gone into the Sikh sangat .They can no longer fool the Sikhs .If the political bodies or Akal Takht try to climb down from it's present stance then the Sikhs will take the matter in their own hands .

Harjot Singh Brar

Like I said Badal IS THE REAL CULPRIT. If you tackle the root you wouldnt have any problems in Punjab, and if protests or anything happen against him, this time I am all for it, because this is doing justice to the SIKHS, hes put loads of innocent people behind bars, and also hes become filthy rich because of his antics, boycott him. Hes a very selfish man, who needs to be brought down from cloud 9

[Guest PunjabSingh]

So after all this they change their Stance,top them it don't matter Vedantis a liar and Badal's Poodle,this is the view from them''Our Party is happy'',all else don't matter,''So what a few singhs got Shaheed'',we're still in power!

Vedanti and Co can say and do what they like,but one thing I know for sure,is that the Sikh Nation will not let those Shaheedian made by Singhs go to waste.

No matter what badal or other politicians think that they have gained political power from the recent dera issue,the true colors of all the political parties in Punjab stand exposed .

badal stands exposed.It is the same badal who is seen laughing shamelessly in front of the Sirsa saadh before the elections as was shown yesterday on various indian news channels yesterday.Not only this ,it was shown in the clip that badal and his son ate the "parsaad" after it was "touched" or rather blessed by the saadh .How can Sikhs expect badal to take a tough stand against the pakhandi saadh now ?badal dal leaders had to face the wrath of Sikhs at various places in Punjab.At some places some badal dal leaders came out for brief moments to get themselves photographed with the Sikh sangat .

As regards BJP the way it threatened the present badal govt in Punjab in case there is violence also stands exposed.The conduct of BJP must have raised some eyebrows even in the badal dal itself .

As reported by some channels it is even said that BJP won 19 seats in Punjab with help of Sirsa dera.

The BJP must be patting it's own back for non violence on Punjab bandh day instead of giving credit to Punjabis.Even BJP leader avnash rai khanna who was hiding in his hotel came out for few minutes ,got himself photographed with the Sikh sangat and went back to his hotel .

The double face of congress party leaders in Punjab was also exposed on the Punjab bandh day .The very same leaders who led dera mobs against Sikhs in Bathinda were no where to be seen on that day .

Shiromani Akali Dal(Amritsar) is perhaps the only political party of Punjab which represents the Sikh viewpoint .Bhai Daljit Singh Bittu has gone on record over zee punjabi and had appealed to the Sikh sangat to observe Punjab bandh in a peaceful way .Sardar Mann has been put in jail by badal govt to prevent him from leading the Sikhs as well as to prevent him from participating at the anniversary of Operation Bluestar.

SGPC President Avtar Singh Makkar yesterday convened a meeting of various religious leaders at Delhi and by evening delinked himself from the religious delegation which had gone to Sirsa dera to persuade the saadh to apologise .Same is the case with DSGPC president Paramjit Singh Sarna.So again double standards to befool the Sikhs .

But the political parties of Punjab now need to understand the issue has now gone into the Sikh sangat .They can no longer fool the Sikhs .If the political bodies or Akal Takht try to climb down from it's present stance then the Sikhs will take the matter in their own hands .

Harjot Singh Brar

Like I said Badal IS THE REAL CULPRIT. If you tackle the root you wouldnt have any problems in Punjab, and if protests or anything happen against him, this time I am all for it, because this is doing justice to the SIKHS, hes put loads of innocent people behind bars, and also hes become filthy rich because of his antics, boycott him. Hes a very selfish man, who needs to be brought down from cloud 9

We saw anti badal protests also in the past days since the dera issue arose .But the indian media out of ignorance or purposely projecting them as "pro dera " protests .They first show clips of anti badal slogans at the dera and then continue showing anti badal protests by Singhs under the same heading.It is only when we see gatras and hear "Panth Kee Jeet " "Raj Karega Khalsa" slogans that non sikhs realise that they are singhs and not dera "premis" .

Actually to some extent it is not the media's fault even.These days we are seeing many non amritdharis and mona people with safron turbans in the anti dera protests .

Meanwhile reports are coming in that SGPC president met dera officials yesterday though he may deny now .They are planning to come out with a statement from Ram Raheem ..a sort of apology ?

Im not sure but it is said that Akal Takht is willing to rethink about it's own hukamnama if Ram Raheem climbs down from his rigid stand .Now the question is will the Sikh sangat accept such a sort of compromise ?

Who has given to authority to agnivesh and others to mediate with the saadh on behalf of the sikhs ?

It is said he'll issue a press statement anytime today .Agnivesh is holding meeting with the Sirsa saadh at Sirsa dera .

Is it possible that Agnivesh also becomes the target of the Sikh anti dera movement ?

It is well known that badal shared a stage with this same agnivesh few months before elections.So there is a great possibility that badal has given his support to agnivesh .

But it looks like the Sikhs will no longer be fooled by these antics of politicians and so called religious heads .

Sikhs have to beware of such people for whom it is only a matter of the word "apology" whereas for Sikhs the matter is entirely different .

As Jagmohan Phutela of Total TV observed "yeh toofaan say pehlay wali shanti lagdi hai mujhay"

He further said may be the matter is no longer in the hands of Akal Takht even as the Sikhs a determined to get justice and teach the Sirsa dera chief a lesson according to the Sikh traditions .

Harjot Singh Brar