Meat And Alcohol Served In Ramgharia Gurdwara Hall

[desi]

Is anyone on here aware that meat and alcohol is served in a hall which is owned by and next to a Ramgharia gurdwara in Birmingham ??

The address for the Gurdwara is :

Ramgarhia Gurdwara

Unitarian Hall

27-29 Waverley Road

Small Heath

Birmingham

B10 OHG

how come nobody's done anything about it!!!

[Sikh Soldier]

WJKK WJKF

Good question.

Seems like if there is any problems affecting the panth from outside, then its all guns blazing. but if its from within the panth, then lets just say it takes a little more time for some reason

[All-Info]

Do some research on this forum, Its a well known problem, a sandesh has been issued by akaal takht sahib banning this from happening, every gurdwara in the UK received a copy, yet they still do it. It will be dealt with as are every other gurdwara.

Its not a new problem, its being worked on already.

Attached is a copy of the sandesh if you havent read it.

[JarnailS]

Is anyone on here aware that meat and alcohol is served in a hall which is owned by and next to a Ramgharia gurdwara in Birmingham ??

The address for the Gurdwara is :

Ramgarhia Gurdwara

Unitarian Hall

27-29 Waverley Road

Small Heath

Birmingham

B10 OHG

how come nobody's done anything about it!!!

Fateh Jio

Veer ji, its not only in Birmingham, this problem is bloody every where.... watch this:

fateh jio

[Bored]

Is anyone on here aware that meat and alcohol is served in a hall which is owned by and next to a Ramgharia gurdwara in Birmingham ??

The address for the Gurdwara is :

Ramgarhia Gurdwara

Unitarian Hall

27-29 Waverley Road

Small Heath

Birmingham

B10 OHG

how come nobody's done anything about it!!!

Fateh Jio

Veer ji, its not only in Birmingham, this problem is bloody every where.... watch this:

fateh jio

branford as in CANADA??????

[JarnailS]

Is anyone on here aware that meat and alcohol is served in a hall which is owned by and next to a Ramgharia gurdwara in Birmingham ??

The address for the Gurdwara is :

Ramgarhia Gurdwara

Unitarian Hall

27-29 Waverley Road

Small Heath

Birmingham

B10 OHG

how come nobody's done anything about it!!!

Fateh Jio

Veer ji, its not only in Birmingham, this problem is bloody every where.... watch this:

fateh jio

branford as in CANADA??????

no, its in UK.... apna bradford yaar.

fateh

[Wicked Warrior]

I know this Gurdwara, go there every Sunday. Had no idea about the meat/alcohol, though I do know they have gigs and stuff there. TBH there is very little youth who go there because they want to. Even I go only because my parents do and I go with them.

Most of the Committee, from what I've heard from my father, are involved in less than honorable acts and will only do something if they get something out of it. For example, the martial arts teacher there who taught Shin-Kin once informed the committee that there was a grant that could be obtained from the Government for improving the Gurdwara (or something like that) and the committee replied by asking "What do we get?". Explains why meat/alcohol is served there, in the same place where they teach Punjabi classes.

Even the "Giani" is into more worldly things rather than Sikhi.

Like I mentioned, very few Sikh youth go there. The ones that do go because their parents drag them there. There is nothing there for them, so they stand around outside chatting. I know because I used to be one of them as a teenager. Once the older generation pass on, no one will attend the Gurdwara and hopefully it will be shut down, instead of anti-Panthic activity such as this going on.

The committee are also very slow in reacting to anything and take their time over any action. There was a clear land behind the Gurdwara that the committee made plans to extend the Gurdwara, making it bigger. They didn't do anything about it for years and now there's a massive mosque there instead!

This is what the committee is like and I'd rather not be amongst them if I can help it.

[Birmingham Misl Soldier]

YE ITS A DISGRACE, OUTSIDE ON THE HALL THEY GOT A BIG KHANDA WITH JASSA SINGH RAMGHARIA HALL WRITTEN UNDERNEATH IT, YET INSIDE THE HALL, MEAT AND ALCOHOL IS ALLOWED TO BE SERVED..ITS A PISSTAKE AND ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN PROMPTLY!

JASSA SINGH RAMGHARIA WAS A GREAT SIKH WARRIOR AND LOOK HOW THEY BRING HIS NAME DOWN, ACTUALLY THEYRE BRINGING DOWN THE WHOLE PANTH'S NAME WITH ACTIONS LIKE THESE.

FUNNY HOW MAYA WORKS.

[Sarbloh]

YE ITS A DISGRACE, OUTSIDE ON THE HALL THEY GOT A BIG KHANDA WITH JASSA SINGH RAMGHARIA HALL WRITTEN UNDERNEATH IT, YET INSIDE THE HALL, MEAT AND ALCOHOL IS ALLOWED TO BE SERVED..ITS A PISSTAKE AND ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN PROMPTLY!

JASSA SINGH RAMGHARIA WAS A GREAT SIKH WARRIOR AND LOOK HOW THEY BRING HIS NAME DOWN, ACTUALLY THEYRE BRINGING DOWN THE WHOLE PANTH'S NAME WITH ACTIONS LIKE THESE.

FUNNY HOW MAYA WORKS.

Break the mould by having an active presence in those Guru Ghars! It's the shortage of Gursikhs within these congregations that lead to manmat creeping in. Birmingham is fortunate to have a large group of young Gursikhs, but it's time to spread out from your local Gurdwaras and physically travel to Gurdwaras where the Congregation are on the weak side. It's a commitment that needs to be taken by all of us.

I personally think that this coupled up with the setting up Jathas, misals, Campaigns, parchaar/literature can help to wash out the corruption and boost the morale of our Panth!

Do not just isolate the problems to just specific "caste" run Gurdwaras as it is only digressive and will always cloud the real issues. Treat the "caste" run Gurdwara as your own local Guru Ghar. With time the malpractices will be erdicated, but we need a long term level of commitment to the running of those Guru Ghars, even if it is only in the langer hall or joriya de sewa.

[desi]

I know this Gurdwara, go there every Sunday. Had no idea about the meat/alcohol, though I do know they have gigs and stuff there. TBH there is very little youth who go there because they want to. Even I go only because my parents do and I go with them.

Most of the Committee, from what I've heard from my father, are involved in less than honorable acts and will only do something if they get something out of it. For example, the martial arts teacher there who taught Shin-Kin once informed the committee that there was a grant that could be obtained from the Government for improving the Gurdwara (or something like that) and the committee replied by asking "What do we get?". Explains why meat/alcohol is served there, in the same place where they teach Punjabi classes.

Even the "Giani" is into more worldly things rather than Sikhi.

Like I mentioned, very few Sikh youth go there. The ones that do go because their parents drag them there. There is nothing there for them, so they stand around outside chatting. I know because I used to be one of them as a teenager. Once the older generation pass on, no one will attend the Gurdwara and hopefully it will be shut down, instead of anti-Panthic activity such as this going on.

The committee are also very slow in reacting to anything and take their time over any action. There was a clear land behind the Gurdwara that the committee made plans to extend the Gurdwara, making it bigger. They didn't do anything about it for years and now there's a massive mosque there instead!

This is what the committee is like and I'd rather not be amongst them if I can help it.

The comittee are disgraceful, if you don't agree with their decisions or opinions they come and break your windows. The current president has been in power for about 9 years and many people are to scared to stand up to him beacue of the consequences.

There is no activiteis organised for the youth apart from punjabi classes, no wonder so many of the regular attendent's children have married goray/ sullah.

Even a while ago there was controversy there because of the hygiene problem. which involved a lot of rats. But what did the comittee do?? NOTHING

Yeah speaking of the mosque the Gurdwara is located in a predominately muslim area and by not buying up the land it just further increased the sullah dominance. That land could have been used for sporting activities for the youth, or anything else to attract them.

In 20-30 years time when the older generation pass away I can just imagine this Gurdwara being turned back into a club as it was 40 years ago or even a mosque........do we really want this to happen? This Gurdwara is loacted in a mainly pakistani area where most of the Sikhs have moved out and many have just forgotten about tghis Gurdwara, they're more interest in Smethwick or Soho road Gurdwara.

Why has this thread been moved??? It is NOT about the other ramgharia Gurdwara which had a wedding between a muslim and a sikh, this is a DIFFERENT gurdwara.