Usage of satguru phrase and status of krishan in gurbani

[sikha]

Bijla Singh ji..

The reason i have not responded in the Panj pyare debate is because im trying to get those granths you mentioned talking about Bhai Nand Lal taking Khanda de pahul being named Bhai Nand Lal Singh etc, suraj parkash granth etc.

The Bhatt Vahi is very doubtful as being an authentic source. untill now i have not come across a single scholar that recognices it as valid, due to its modern language and phrases.

i'll be back

waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh

[sikha]

Would you say the following vaar has been translated correctly?

sathijug sathigur vaasadhaev vaavaa vishanaa naam japaavai||

In Satyug, Visnu in the form of Vasudev is said to have incarnated and ‘V’ Of Vahiguru reminds of Visnu.

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duAwpr siqgur hrIikRSn hwhw hir hir nwm iDAwvY]

dhuaapar sathigur hareekrishan haahaa har har naam dhhiaavai||

The true Guru of dvapar is said to be Harikrsna and ‘H’ of Vahiguru reminds of Hari.

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qRyqy siqgur rwm jI rwrw rwm jpy suK pwvY]

thraethae sathigur raam jee raaraa raam japae sukh paavai||

In the the treta was Ram and ‘R’ of Vahiguru tells that rembering Ram will produce joy and happiness.

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kiljug nwnk gur goibMd ggw goivMd nwm jpwvY]

kalijug naanak gur gobindh gagaa govindh naam japaavai||

In kalijug, Gobind is in the form of Nanak and ‘G’ of Vahiguru gets Govind recited.

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cwry jwgy chu jugI pMcwiex ivc jwie smwvY]

chaarae jaagae chahu jugee panchaaein vich jaae samaavai||

The recitations o f all the four ages subsume in Panchayan i.e. in the soul of the common man.

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cwroN ACr iek kr vwihgurU jp mMqR jpwvY]

chaaron ashhar eik kar vaahiguroo jap manthr japaavai||

When joining four letters Vahiguru is remembered,

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jhW qy aupijAw iPr qhW smwvY ]ôù]ñ]

jehaan thae oupajiaa fir thehaan samaavai ||aa||a||

The jiv merges again in its origin.

[chatanga]

is that from Bhai Gurdas , Sikha?

some nice debating going on here. too complex for a thicko like me. me gonna go and do some dot-to-dot pictures of Guru Nanak and then coloure them in, while you bigger boys argue.

[N30S1NGH]

Bijla Singh,

I think we have both provided our side, let now sangat decides who have taken asra of gurmat and who have taken asra of manmat.

If i m chela of sanatan/puratan sants so i m glad, atleast i m not a tottagyani or pseduo scholar (ghugga, afghana, and others etc etc) who judge gurmat by their own little mat or claim "vikayaran" its the only way to interpret gurbani.

Nice debating with you too, TaTa.

[chatrik]

pa-orhee chhurhkee fir haath na aavai ahilaa janam gavaa-i-aa. ||1||

He misses the step of the ladder, and this opportunity will not come into his hands again; his life is wasted, uselessly. ||1||

doojaa bhaa-o na day-ee liv laagan jin har kay charan visaaray.

The love of duality does not allow him to lovingly focus his attention on the Lord; he forgets the Feet of the Lord.

(ang 796)

[Guest Akirtghan]

ok now my head hurts :compress: read the last 2 pages

In JapJi Sahib it is clearly stated that Krishan is in Gyan Khand.

ਗਿਆਨ ਖੰਡ ਕਾ ਆਖਹੁ ਕਰਮੁ ॥ ਕੇਤੇ ਪਵਣ ਪਾਣੀ ਵੈਸੰਤਰ ਕੇਤੇ ਕਾਨ ਮਹੇਸ ॥ ਕੇਤੇ ਬਰਮੇ ਘਾੜਤਿ ਘੜੀਅਹਿ ਰੂਪ ਰੰਗ ਕੇ ਵੇਸ ॥

It is clear that Krishan is not in Sachkhand

as per gyani thakur singh jee this talks about one's avastha as he/she reaches gyan khand. ie. in gyan khand one see's many kinds of air,water, many brahma's who are creating etc... its not talking about what "avastha" krishan ji was

[00gurpreet_singh00]

gyani takhur singh isn't the be-all-end-all of arths. Baba Makhan Singh doesn't different arth of this pauri, sahib singh does different arth and bhai randheer singh does different arth.

[Guest Akirtghan]

why dont you share how they interpret this pauri then :wub:

[00gurpreet_singh00]

Baba Makhan Singh of Bhai Mani Singh's Taksal katha (like Sant Gurbachan Singh's and Gyani Takhur Singhs katha, this one is also really good):

Part 1 of this pauri: http://www.gurmatveechar.org/audio/katha/0...hya.Part.39.mp3

Part 2: http://www.gurmatveechar.org/audio/katha/0...hya.Part.40.mp3

Prof. Sahib Singh:

http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/darpan1/0007.html

Bhai Randheer Singh's arth (I believe) are the ones that Bijla Singh posted. Someone please correct if I'm wrong here as I've never read any of Bhai Randheer SIngh's books other than a bit of his autobiography.

Faridkot Teeka:

http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.g...amp;p=0&k=2