What Is Better: Bani Or Meditation

[besoft]

I spend quite a time in understanding Gurbani.A question that often comes to my mind and that sangat should answer is as follows:

1.Is it better to spend time in understanding bani or to do simran/meditation .?

Also kindly explain the methods like saas saas .sas gras and other jugat stated in the Granth sahib ji.

Regard

[akjforever]

Reading Gurbani is a form of meditation. Doing Simran is another form of meditation. They go hand in hand. One can't be done without the other. Reading Gurbani is only half of the equation, the other is doing Simran. Leaving one is a big mistake.

Bul Chuk Dee Khema

[The_Perfect_Student]

These wonderful verses from sukhmani sahib - the prayer of peace will tell you the importance of meditation and then its upto you decide which is better. Infact anything related to GOD is wonderful but the verses below will tell you the importance of meditating on 1 GOD in our daily lives.

suKmnI suK AMimRq pRB nwmu ] (262-13, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

sukhmanee sukh amrit parabh naam.

Sukhmani: Peace of Mind, the Nectar of the Name of God.

Bgq jnw kY min ibsRwm ] rhwau ] (262-13, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

bhagat janaa kai man bisraam. rahaa-o.

The minds of the devotees abide in a joyful peace. ||Pause||

pRB kY ismrin griB n bsY ] (262-13, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran garabh na basai.

Remembering God, one does not have to enter into the womb again.

pRB kY ismrin dUKu jmu nsY ] (262-14, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran dookh jam nasai.

Remembering God, the pain of death is dispelled.

pRB kY ismrin kwlu prhrY ] (262-14, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran kaal parharai.

Remembering God, death is eliminated.

pRB kY ismrin dusmnu trY ] (262-14, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran dusman tarai.

Remembering God, one's enemies are repelled.

pRB ismrq kCu ibGnu n lwgY ] (262-15, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh simrat kachh bighan na laagai.

Remembering God, no obstacles are met.

pRB kY ismrin Anidnu jwgY ] (262-15, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran an-din jaagai.

Remembering God, one remains awake and aware, night and day.

pRB kY ismrin Bau n ibAwpY ] (262-15, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran bha-o na bi-aapai.

Remembering God, one is not touched by fear.

pRB kY ismrin duKu n sMqwpY ] (262-16, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran dukh na santaapai.

Remembering God, one does not suffer sorrow.

pRB kw ismrnu swD kY sMig ] (262-16, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kaa simran saaDh kai sang.

The meditative remembrance of God is in the Company of the Holy.

srb inDwn nwnk hir rMig ]2] (262-16, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

sarab niDhaan naanak har rang. ||2||

All treasures, O Nanak, are in the Love of the Lord. ||2||

pRB kY ismrin iriD isiD nau iniD ] (262-17, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran riDh siDh na-o niDh.

In the remembrance of God are wealth, miraculous spiritual powers and the nine treasures.

pRB kY ismrin igAwnu iDAwnu qqu buiD ] (262-17, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran gi-aan Dhi-aan tat buDh.

In the remembrance of God are knowledge, meditation and the essence of wisdom.

pRB kY ismrin jp qp pUjw ] (262-18, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran jap tap poojaa.

In the remembrance of God are chanting, intense meditation and devotional worship.

pRB kY ismrin ibnsY dUjw ] (262-18, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran binsai doojaa.

In the remembrance of God, duality is removed.

pRB kY ismrin qIrQ iesnwnI ] (262-18, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran tirath isnaanee.

In the remembrance of God are purifying baths at sacred shrines of pilgrimage.

pRB kY ismrin drgh mwnI ] (262-19, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran dargeh maanee.

In the remembrance of God, one attains honor in the Court of the Lord.

pRB kY ismrin hoie su Blw ] (262-19, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran ho-ay so bhalaa.

In the remembrance of God, one becomes good.

pRB kY ismrin suPl Plw ] (262-19, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran sufal falaa.

In the remembrance of God, one flowers in fruition.

sy ismrih ijn Awip ismrwey ] (262-19, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

say simrahi jin aap simraa-ay.

They alone remember Him in meditation, whom He inspires to meditate.

nwnk qw kY lwgau pwey ]3] (263-1, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

naanak taa kai laaga-o paa-ay. ||3||

Nanak grasps the feet of those humble beings. ||3||

pRB kw ismrnu sB qy aUcw ] (263-1, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kaa simran sabh tay oochaa.

The remembrance of God is the highest and most exalted of all.

pRB kY ismrin auDry mUcw ] (263-1, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran uDhray moochaa.

In the remembrance of God, many are saved.

pRB kY ismrin iqRsnw buJY ] (263-2, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran tarisnaa bujhai.

In the remembrance of God, thirst is quenched.

pRB kY ismrin sBu ikCu suJY ] (263-2, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran sabh kichh sujhai.

In the remembrance of God, all things are known.

pRB kY ismrin nwhI jm qRwsw ] (263-2, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran naahee jam taraasaa.

In the remembrance of God, there is no fear of death.

pRB kY ismrin pUrn Awsw ] (263-3, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran pooran aasaa.

In the remembrance of God, hopes are fulfilled.

pRB kY ismrin mn kI mlu jwie ] (263-3, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran man kee mal jaa-ay.

In the remembrance of God, the filth of the mind is removed.

AMimRq nwmu ird mwih smwie ] (263-3, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

amrit naam rid maahi samaa-ay.

The Ambrosial Naam, the Name of the Lord, is absorbed into the heart.

pRB jI bsih swD kI rsnw ] (263-4, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh jee baseh saaDh kee rasnaa.

God abides upon the tongues of His Saints.

nwnk jn kw dwsin dsnw ]4] (263-4, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

naanak jan kaa daasan dasnaa. ||4||

Nanak is the servant of the slave of His slaves. ||4||

pRB kau ismrih sy DnvMqy ] (263-4, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh ka-o simrahi say Dhanvantay.

Those who remember God are wealthy.

pRB kau ismrih sy piqvMqy ] (263-5, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh ka-o simrahi say pativantay.

Those who remember God are honorable.

pRB kau ismrih sy jn prvwn ] (263-5, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh ka-o simrahi say jan parvaan.

Those who remember God are approved.

pRB kau ismrih sy purK pRDwn ] (263-5, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh ka-o simrahi say purakh parDhaan.

Those who remember God are the most distinguished persons.

pRB kau ismrih is bymuhqwjy ] (263-6, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh ka-o simrahi se baymuhtaajay.

Those who remember God are not lacking.

pRB kau ismrih is srb ky rwjy ] (263-6, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh ka-o simrahi se sarab kay raajay.

Those who remember God are the rulers of all.

pRB kau ismrih sy suKvwsI ] (263-6, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh ka-o simrahi say sukhvaasee.

Those who remember God dwell in peace.

pRB kau ismrih sdw AibnwsI ] (263-7, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh ka-o simrahi sadaa abhinaasee.

Those who remember God are immortal and eternal.

ismrn qy lwgy ijn Awip dieAwlw ] (263-7, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

simran tay laagay jin aap da-i-aalaa.

They alone hold to the remembrance of Him, unto whom He Himself shows His Mercy.

nwnk jn kI mMgY rvwlw ]5] (263-8, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

naanak jan kee mangai ravaalaa. ||5||

Nanak begs for the dust of their feet. ||5||

pRB kau ismrih sy praupkwrI ] (263-8, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh ka-o simrahi say par-upkaaree.

Those who remember God generously help others.

pRB kau ismrih iqn sd bilhwrI ] (263-8, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh ka-o simrahi tin sad balihaaree.

Those who remember God - to them, I am forever a sacrifice.

pRB kau ismrih sy muK suhwvy ] (263-9, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh ka-o simrahi say mukh suhaavay.

Those who remember God - their faces are beautiful.

pRB kau ismrih iqn sUiK ibhwvY ] (263-9, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh ka-o simrahi tin sookh bihaavai.

Those who remember God abide in peace.

pRB kau ismrih iqn Awqmu jIqw ] (263-9, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh ka-o simrahi tin aatam jeetaa.

Those who remember God conquer their souls.

pRB kau ismrih iqn inrml rIqw ] (263-10, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh ka-o simrahi tin nirmal reetaa.

Those who remember God have a pure and spotless lifestyle.

pRB kau ismrih iqn And Gnyry ] (263-10, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh ka-o simrahi tin anad ghanayray.

Those who remember God experience all sorts of joys.

pRB kau ismrih bsih hir nyry ] (263-11, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh ka-o simrahi baseh har nayray.

Those who remember God abide near the Lord.

sMq ik®pw qy Anidnu jwig ] (263-11, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

sant kirpaa tay an-din jaag.

By the Grace of the Saints, one remains awake and aware, night and day.

nwnk ismrnu pUrY Bwig ]6] (263-11, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

naanak simran poorai bhaag. ||6||

O Nanak, this meditative remembrance comes only by perfect destiny. ||6||

pRB kY ismrin kwrj pUry ] (263-12, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran kaaraj pooray.

Remembering God, one's works are accomplished.

pRB kY ismrin kbhu n JUry ] (263-12, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran kabahu na jhooray.

Remembering God, one never grieves.

pRB kY ismrin hir gun bwnI ] (263-12, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran har gun baanee.

Remembering God, one speaks the Glorious Praises of the Lord.

pRB kY ismrin shij smwnI ] (263-13, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran sahj samaanee.

Remembering God, one is absorbed into the state of intuitive ease.

pRB kY ismrin inhcl Awsnu ] (263-13, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran nihchal aasan.

Remembering God, one attains the unchanging position.

pRB kY ismrin kml ibgwsnu ] (263-13, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran kamal bigaasan.

Remembering God, the heart-lotus blossoms forth.

pRB kY ismrin Anhd Junkwr ] (263-14, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

parabh kai simran anhad jhunkaar.

Remembering God, the unstruck melody vibrates.

suKu pRB ismrn kw AMqu n pwr ] (263-14, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

sukh parabh simran kaa ant na paar.

The peace of the meditative remembrance of God has no end or limitation.

ismrih sy jn ijn kau pRB mieAw ] (263-14, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

simrahi say jan jin ka-o parabh ma-i-aa.

They alone remember Him, upon whom God bestows His Grace.

nwnk iqn jn srnI pieAw ]7] (263-15, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

naanak tin jan sarnee pa-i-aa. ||7||

Nanak seeks the Sanctuary of those humble beings. ||7||

hir ismrnu kir Bgq pRgtwey ] (263-15, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

har simran kar bhagat pargataa-ay.

Remembering the Lord, His devotees are famous and radiant.

hir ismrin lig byd aupwey ] (263-16, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

har simran lag bayd upaa-ay.

Remembering the Lord, the Vedas were composed.

hir ismrin Bey isD jqI dwqy ] (263-16, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

har simran bha-ay siDh jatee daatay.

Remembering the Lord, we become Siddhas, celibates and givers.

hir ismrin nIc chu kuMt jwqy ] (263-16, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

har simran neech chahu kunt jaatay.

Remembering the Lord, the lowly become known in all four directions.

hir ismrin DwrI sB Drnw ] (263-17, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

har simran Dhaaree sabh Dharnaa.

For the remembrance of the Lord, the whole world was established.

ismir ismir hir kwrn krnw ] (263-17, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

simar simar har kaaran karnaa.

Remember, remember in meditation the Lord, the Creator, the Cause of causes.

hir ismrin kIE sgl Akwrw ] (263-17, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

har simran kee-o sagal akaaraa.

For the remembrance of the Lord, He created the whole creation.

hir ismrn mih Awip inrMkwrw ] (263-18, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

har simran meh aap nirankaaraa.

In the remembrance of the Lord, He Himself is Formless.

kir ikrpw ijsu Awip buJwieAw ] (263-18, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

kar kirpaa jis aap bujhaa-i-aa.

By His Grace, He Himself bestows understanding.

nwnk gurmuiK hir ismrnu iqin pwieAw ]8]1] (263-18, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)

naanak gurmukh har simran tin paa-i-aa. ||8||1||

O Nanak, the Gurmukh attains the remembrance of the Lord. ||8||1||

w aubrn DwrY sBu koaU ] (259-7, gauVI, mÚ 5)

yaa ubran Dhaarai sabh ko-oo.

Everyone has this idea of salvation,

auAwih jpy ibnu aubr n hoaU ] (259-7, gauVI, mÚ 5)

u-aahi japay bin ubar na ho-oo.

but without meditation, there can be no salvation.

[besoft]

Thanks for guidance.

The main teaching of Granth sahib is to be a Nice and humble human being and gives lot of importance to the Naam. This can be obtained by constant practice and abhyaaas. This is totally missing so far as I am concerned.

It is also in gurbani that this abhyaas leads to cleaning of Haume from mind. It is also noted that we have to make a balance between the two.

Kindly guide the jugti stated in the Granth sahib for jap/simran/meditation.

I shall be very grateful.

[RKang17]

Mahraj says :

PRABH KA SIMRAN SANH TE UCHA

i mean that u should do ur Nitnem, read bani, listen to katha but also spend about an hour every morning doing smiran coz it brings peace to the mind and soul......itz jus like feeding ur soul i guess.

[besoft]

Thanks, but kindly tell the exact jugti/method for meditation etc. You may kindly give the reference of some katha.

thanks

[OhTwadi]

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[Heera Singh]

both are equal but BOTH are NECESSARY!

[RKang17]

^^^yes yes that was my point as well^^^

[MPKaur]

Would I be wrong in saying that in the beginning, simran is more important as with simran, one can develop pyar for Waheguru? Once a person has pyar,then the desire to do nitnem grows, which is important because in order to progress spiritually both are equally important.

Perhaps i'm wrong though, I'm just saying how i started