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"A British backed S.G.P.C force forcibly entered Akal Takht and assaulted the 80 year old Jathedar breaking his arm, 'Master' Tara Singh then through the Dasam Granth on the floor and the SGPC took over the shrine and have held it until the present day."

Valli Singh can you clarify your source of Master Tara Singh throwing the Sri Dasam Granth on the floor?

Thanks!

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In puratan days, Taksal and the Dal were one entity, Taksaal was an institution IN the Dal, so jathedaar of Taksal and the Dal were the same person. Leader of the Dal back then was also usually jathedar of Akaal Takhat sahib, they had a LOT more authority than the Dals jathedar today does.

Akaali Foola Singh is a good example we all know about, jathedaar of the Dal, and Akaal Takhat Sahib :)

Urm that's abit confusing, so your saying Baba Gurbaksh Singh Ji was also jathedar of Bhudda Dal, as well as jathedar of Taksall and Akaal Takht? :3:

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In puratan days, Taksal and the Dal were one entity, Taksaal was an institution IN the Dal, so jathedaar of Taksal and the Dal were the same person. Leader of the Dal back then was also usually jathedar of Akaal Takhat sahib, they had a LOT more authority than the Dals jathedar today does.

Akaali Foola Singh is a good example we all know about, jathedaar of the Dal, and Akaal Takhat Sahib :)

Urm that's abit confusing, so your saying Baba Gurbaksh Singh Ji was also jathedar of Bhudda Dal, as well as jathedar of Taksall and Akaal Takht? :3:

hanji, thats exactly what im saying

it would be like if in the AKJ, some singhs were given seva to give santhiyaa. Jathedar of AKj would remain same, and would also be jathedaar of the entire jatha, as well as this santhiyaa portion, because they worked under his orders

back then, jathedar of the Dal had a LOT more authority, he was practically head of the panth. As leader of the fauj, and the panth in general, by default, the jathedaari of Akaal Takhat sahib, supreme authority in the panth, would fall to him

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In puratan days, Taksal and the Dal were one entity, Taksaal was an institution IN the Dal, so jathedaar of Taksal and the Dal were the same person. Leader of the Dal back then was also usually jathedar of Akaal Takhat sahib, they had a LOT more authority than the Dals jathedar today does.

Akaali Foola Singh is a good example we all know about, jathedaar of the Dal, and Akaal Takhat Sahib :)

Urm that's abit confusing, so your saying Baba Gurbaksh Singh Ji was also jathedar of Bhudda Dal, as well as jathedar of Taksall and Akaal Takht? :3:

hanji, thats exactly what im saying

it would be like if in the AKJ, some singhs were given seva to give santhiyaa. Jathedar of AKj would remain same, and would also be jathedaar of the entire jatha, as well as this santhiyaa portion, because they worked under his orders

back then, jathedar of the Dal had a LOT more authority, he was practically head of the panth. As leader of the fauj, and the panth in general, by default, the jathedaari of Akaal Takhat sahib, supreme authority in the panth, would fall to him

Wow thats really intereststing I never knew that!

I wonder why jatheh and jathedar have split off since then? I mean the maryada and rehat of Taksaal and Bhudda Dal are similar but obviously there are differences.

Has there not been instances where both jatheh could reunite, with have 1 jathedar or 5 singhs?

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i dont know exactly how it happened, but since the rise of nirmal sants around the time of the british would probably be around when taksal and the Dal split? im not exactly sure, forgive me if im wrong. As for reuniting, i doubt its possible, but Dal and Taksal are definitely closely related, historically and rehitwise (despite some obvious differences)

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Mike Singh,

Jathedar Baba Santa Singh ji is the source of that fact, he is third in line from Baba Kaladhari himself, what's more until the late 70's there were still elderly Nihangs alive who were present on that day and so witnessed this event unfold,

"When the British-backed SGPC force infiltrated Akal Takht and injured and subdued it's inhabitants, Master Tara Singh threw Dasam Granth ji from it's planquin, and exclaimed 'now get out and take your filthy book with you', Sri Dasam Granth ji was then thrown from the window".

Tara Singh was a Neo-Sikh, British lapdog disgrace to the Panth, you're not going to find accounts like that written by these cowardly modern scholars who worship the ground he walked on, the point is if you want to get the facts ask knowledgeable. elderly Nihangs in India.

As for this tenuous Taksal/Nihang connection, the only santhiya/taksal tradition that I'm aware of in Dal Panth comes from Baba Mitt Singh ji and that would be in the early 1900's, though there is a strong purataan santhiya tradition in Dal Panth going far back it was never as forcefully institutionalized as the DDT today is, there was no Jathedari or Sardari involved in it, it was just a teacherly duty carried out by elderly Nihangs as it is today in nearly any large Dal, I know Baba Bakala has a strong santhiya tradition but they are Tarna Dal.

Furthermore, Baba Deep Singh ji and Baba Gurbax Singh ji were heads of Shaheedi Misal Tarna Dal first and foremost and not Budha Dal, and so they were never heads of the Panth as a whole whether or not they were in charge of any taksal, also in purataan times Nihangs would generally be educated and recieve santhiya from Udasi and Niramala Deras or even Seva Panthis such as the relatively unknown Mani Singh Taksal, this purataan tradition has completely been erased with the decline and fall of the Sanatan Singh Sabha and thus you have Nihangs running there own taksals from the 1900's until today,

So the point is there was no seperate taksal that broke off from Budha Dal, and the Jathedar of Budhadal and the Panth would have never been considered a Jathedar of any Taksal even if there were one running under him because it would have been seen as a grammar school and hardly something that would need any Jathedari as it was not a Misal.

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To my knowledge it is not mentioned in any of his major kathas released to this date, I have heard this from him, and I know that some Singh authors in the UK may have personal recordings/transcripts of him speaking specifically about this incident.

Baba Uday Singh of Talwandi Sabo could definately give you a fuller picture of everything that transpired there.

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